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manton

Jesus, what an embarassing rant. OK, it's been fun, this would have been a nice board, but it's not for me. Last word from me, Jim: your calls for civilty and reason ring totally hollow and hypocritical, you chose to politicize this board and rant like a lunatic on subjects totally unrelated to wine...

manton

Stefan, so, liberals are now the measure of "traditional Republican positions"? Really? Would you take advice from me on what the D party should look like? I really like the party of Truman and JFK, which bears far less resemblance to the modern Democratic party than today's Rs bear to Rea...

manton

I also think it's hilarious that Reagan is in your "good Republican" list. Really, Reagan and Goldwater--the two most conservative national figures in modern political history, are the moderates that should be emulated, as opposed to all the amnesty supporting big spenders who run the part...

manton

You didn't address anything I said and you don't seem to understand the party at all.

I could go on at great length, and have, but when I do you just breeze right by all of it. That's why I said this is an echo chamber.

manton

That's pretty much what I do: buy one, drink immediately, if OK, go back for all the rest.

manton

Jim, pundits have been saying for the past 50 years that the Rs need to, in short, become more liberal. But, really, what's the point? Just to gain power? And then do what when they have it? This same dynamic has played out all over Europe, where all the nominally right of center parties are just st...

manton

I find cheapies all the time in the NY area, under $15. It's sort of hard to keep track of what the are because availabilty is so varied. Maybe it's just because I like Bord but I am rarely unhappy. It's mostly good, or good enough. Lescalle is a current favorite which I can get for just under $15.

manton

Look, lots of people resign or get fired after a President is reelected. That's not unusual. What's unusual is the way they made it predicated on the affair AND made the affair public. The WH has known about the affair for a long time. If they wanted to fire him over that they could have done so age...

manton

I would not assume that he will never testify. The House could subpoena him after all.

manton

I wasn't really trying to argue that the tax treatment should be different or the same. I'm just saying that it's clear why the law treats dividends like income. A dividend really is income. It's earned money, from commerce/transactions. Capital gains on the other hand are appreciation distinct from...

manton

well, look, you might be indiffernt to how it is returned, but the company's management has control over dividends, but not gains. Gains are totally at the mercy of the market. Your company can be doing great, profitwise, and paying out a huge divident but the market might still discount you below b...

manton

Well, dividends really are "income", that is money earned through commerce and then paid out. Capital appreciation is more like wealth creation de novo. The idea is that rising asset values = aggregate economic growth, so let's discourage that as little as possible.

manton

True they are big contributors, but lots of people are and if something is that dumb and than unpopular, usually money alone can't keep it going.

manton

The whole way these funds work now is like this (and this is why it's different than traditional equity compensation, like stock options). So, you and some buddies are really smart and you want to start a fund. You maybe put up some of your own money and you find some investors. Now you have your pi...

manton

well I might be wrong about this but I know that Romney retried from bain in 1999 and I have read that he was mostly paid in regular income in those days, with equity awards of course, in the form of options and such, but not like the hedge fund industry or some PE firms today where people are paid ...

manton

How were Romney's cap gains "phoney"? As I understand it, he was NOT paying primarily cap gains when he was working at Bain, he was earning income and paying income taxes. He pays cap gains now because he is retired and earns no ordinary income. The paradigm of post people in PE being comp...

manton

Manton, I am interested in your opinion about this especially since you say the dems have "won" and the Republican party of yore isn't coming back. Should the house repubs stick to their no tax rate increase guns and pursue a scorched earth policy or should they accede to rate increases t...

manton

Well, some to agree with here and much to disagree with. Romney is ideologically nebulous, to be sure. The best spin I can put on that is that he is just not a "statesman" in the best sense and never has been. But, like a lot of highly succesful men, he is ambitious and once men like that ...

manton

MY point is, when he actually WAS the leader of the conservative movement of the GOP, Goldwater held none of the views that you are saying Repubilcans should hold now. Maybe the Republicans would be better off'; the math says no however. In any event, the Barry Goldwater who was a major public figur...

manton

BTW, at first my comments here were just about the horse race and everyone seemed very civil no matter whose side they are on. Now it's just ideological combat, including a lot of liberals giving Repubilcans "concern troll" advice that would seal their doom. I gather some of you honestly b...

manton

Not trolling, I truly do wish it were not here, or that I had not found it. I do think the board would be better off without it. Take that opinion FWIW. When it comes to responding to things I know are wrong, I am self-indulgent and weak. Though in my defense I did let "Bush knew all about 9/11...

manton

I think that the dominant strain of thought in the Democratic party goes something like this: 1) The problem with the stimulus was that it was too small. The magnitude of the crisis required something more on the order of $2-3 trillion rather than $1 T. The stimulus "failed" only in not be...

manton

You are, I believe, conflating the post-retirement Goldwater with Senator and Nominee Goldwater. The latter was further to the right than any modern Republican on just about everything and spoke openly of wanting prayer in schools and warning of moral decay. Even Santorum is not as hard core on scho...

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JimHow wrote:Manton, if you can't express your opinion here without personally insulting people I'm going to ask you to leave.

I didn't insult anyone, but I will leave anyway. I wish this thread hadn't existed, the wine chat was fun while it lasted.

manton

"Social issues" in common usage today is a proxy for abortion, contraception, gay rights, and so on, not civil rights. So, if that's what was meant, then we are not talking about the same things. And, anyway, if that's what was meant, it completely destroys the entire contention that Goldw...

manton

You may or may not be insane, let's leave that for another day. Why the insistence on all this retroactive mythmaking and other BS? You are flatly wrong about Goldwater, but what I wonder is, why is it important to you rewrite history like that? Not only is it provably, demonstrably false--it's also...

manton

OK, look, I dont' want to address everything because what's the point but there is a lot of BS being flung around. Let's just take Goldwater. The idea that he was some sane Republican compared to today's extremists is a joke. Leave aside that in his own time Goldwater was attacked by the left for be...

manton

This board is a total liberal echo chamber.

manton

Never mind, this thread is a total waste of time.

Might I suggest that it be deleted? Seems like it's only a drag on an otherwise good forum.

manton

Look,there are lots of examples. CBS edited out embarassing parts of their interview with Obama that contradicted the later WH line. Candy Crowly shutting down Romney in the debate. But whatever.

manton

Um, the media has worked very hard to cover for Obama on Bengazi. At least push it off until after the election. Which they have now done. One of the reasons the rest is going to come out is because enough in the media feel enough guilt/professional self-respect that their consciences won't allow th...

manton

JScott, these assertions about no response and orders to stand down have been discredited by numerous authorities. You can listened to a retired general (meaning he has no incentive to keep his job by lying) go over the timeline and response here: http://www.npr.org/2012/11/02/164207549/general-cia...

manton

re: the supposed immoderaion of the Republican party, the party just nominated the most moderate centrist person who ran this year, a blue state governor who passed a universal health care law in his state. Every other candidate except Huntsman, who was clearly going nowhere, was to Romney's right o...

manton

Do you honestly think any money is going to be kicked back the states so they can run things? And, no, Congress no longer has the power. The administrative state, the 4th branch, namely the bureucracy, has the power. As Obama has shown, anything he can't get done legislatively he will do through EOs...

manton

And, my goodness, of course the Economist is left wing. Or more precisely, it is the in-house newsleterr of the Davos class, which itself is center-left and supports Obama (with the exception of Wall Street in 2012, but the WS of 2008 was way into Obama and now that they have no choice they will sta...

manton

The country is going to suffer, period. Your side has all the power now and it will, not for the forseeable future, but forever. You can basically do what you want. The House will be easy to roll. All this talk of "coming together" is nonsense. There is nothing to come together over. The d...

manton

I did not accuse you of being naive, but it's clear from reading your posts that you are so far off to the left that I have no common ground with you at all, so continuing the conversation would be pointless and probably upsetting to us both.

manton

Rubio will not be the nominee and Christie will not be on the ticket at all.

Your prediction of a 50 year D majority is actually an understatment, there will be a D majority until the country falls, which might actually be before 50 years.

manton

I think pro wresting is a great analogy. Almost perfect. He should run for the Senate from Connecticut.

manton

No politics in wine threads!

But anyway, the Donald does not strike me as angry, he seems to be having a hell of a time. I think he knows he is 75% full of shit.

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