Bordeaux Wine Enthusiasts

DavidG

Mens rea. He’s guilty but unlikely to be convicted. Especially if Aileen Cannon remains the judge.

DavidG

Yeah, funny that the vote is so lopsided yet so many who have commented said they preferred Geyserville by a tiny margin. I suspect if we all scored them on a 100-point scale, it would come out something like Geyserville 94.6, Lytton Springs 94.4. I wonder if there’s a simple way to look up an avera...

DavidG

That price looks good, CV; only about $2/bottle. Even if the price has tripled it is much better to ship than to sell and rebuy. David, I want to avoid us moving much wine from Texas to Oregon ourselves. Our backs and joints are not up to it. I bought enough wine for Oregon that we have enough wine...

DavidG

Tried to vote 4 or 5 times and kept changing my mind. Eventually settled on Geyserville. Twenty or thirty years ago I would have easily chosen Lytton. Not that the wines were that different then, but I was.

DavidG

Bill, are you asking whether to move the wine or how to move the wine to OR? That’s a trickier question than what to do with the storage cabinets. I would keep the storage cabinets in OR - you’ll eventually need them - and wouldn’t worry about whether you use them now or later. Whatever’s convenient...

DavidG

Patrick, that’s a good point about sticky prices/initial conditions. That usually seems to dissipate by 10-15 years post vintage. We’re not quite there yet with the 2014s and 2015s.

DavidG

I agree with Jim that 2015s cost more because they got higher scores from critics, and that those scores were higher because the wines were riper than 2014s. I don’t share the apparent disdain for people who actually like that style. The secondary market continues to value most 2015s more than the 2...

DavidG

Ed, that’s one of the big things that worries me about AI: making it easier to fake stuff. The other thing that worries me is that many accept the output of an AI engine like ChatGPT as the unvarnished truth. I’ve seen incorrect medical advice given by physicians who asked ChatGPT for information an...

DavidG

It finally happened. I’ve reached that old man get-off-my-lawn, yelling-at-clouds stage of life. It was one specific thing that made me realize it. Not the changes in music, art, fashion, medical knowledge, consumer technology, transportation, media, politics, or social mores that often separate the...

DavidG

Historically, Cantemerle is a wine that can be drunk young. Has anyone tried the 2014 Nameless Wine recently? Usually it takes longer to come around than Cantemerle, but the wonderful 1996 was good at age five and never weakened. 2014 Nameless Haut-Médoc (1/7/2023): This took about an hour to open ...

DavidG

Thanks Ian, don’t want to see my beloved Haut Brion demoted LOL.

I’ll second stefan’s comment: a month of Comte Flaneur dinners is beyond my wildest dreams.

DavidG

If you’re gonna fall off the wagon, that’s the way to do it!

Q about the Cotat Chavignol: what’s that silver-colored band? Is it an external ring or inside between the cork and wine? If the latter, what’s it made of and what’s it do?

DavidG

Styles does go on a bit. But he’s asking a legitimate question: were the wines acidified? My guess is that it’s exceedingly difficult or impossible to tell if a wine has had tartaric acid additions by tasting barrel samplings. More importantly, if the wines’ pHs were adjusted by adding acid, how wou...

DavidG

Wow, what an outstanding lineup and wonderfully descriptive notes. Thank you for sharing. I have a question about the relationship between your scores and rankings, Ian. Probably splitting hairs given how outstanding these all were. I’m interested in your thought process. I noticed that you scored t...

DavidG

Congratulations Nic and M-C, and best wishes for many more happy years together.

DavidG

Have you long been a Haut Bailly fan, DG? It seemed like an under the radar chateau until kinda recently, despite making consistently great wines since the 60’s or longer. The 79 is one of those largely unheralded gems. Bruce Bassin turned me on to Haut Bailly shortly before he died in 1998. I boug...

DavidG

All wines: 1. Prum 2. Lynch Bages 3. Krug 4. Cantemerle 5. Haut Bailly 6. Conseillante 7. Produttori del Barbaresco 8. Montrose Then the following are all a few steps behind but within 1-2 bottles of each other: Angelus Beaucastel Bouchard Canon Clinet Dom Perignon Gruaud Larose Haut Brion Palmer Pi...

DavidG

If Prum is in Bordeaux, it takes my #1 slot.

DavidG

I have 2 bottles of GPL, both 2016.

My top 5 Bordeaux holdings:
1) Lynch Bages
2) Cantemerle (this daily drinker moves up/down quickly depending on current stocks)
3) Haut Bailly
4) Conseillante
5) Montrose

DavidG

You guys both nailed it. Guigal’s La-Las are really special, but lose their specialness if drunk too often. Hardly much risk of that at today’s prices.

The 85s were pretty awesome a decade ago. I’m not surprised they’re still kicking ass.

DavidG

I get unreasonably emotional about Bordeaux, but feel no sentimental attachment to futures per se. When it was a good deal financially I bought most of my Bordeaux en primeur. That ended a long time ago, with 2019s as the sole exception. That doesn’t mean we should stop talking about the wines, even...

DavidG

For the score scourers and points pursuers, I guess this website should score some points.
https://bordoverview.com/?year=2022&bank=both

DavidG

Sounds good. Happy to have a few of these cab franc-centric beauties in the cellar. The CT hive says hold until 2031. Sounds like it hasn't really shut down yet. Will it?

DavidG

I would luv your thoughts on that '96 Joel..I have one resting I have one bottle each of 1996 Montrose, 1996 Ducru, 1996 Las Cases. The only bottle I've had was the Ducru about 4 years ago and it was still pretty tight and structured but accessible with a lot of air. Which one do BWE'ers think I sh...

DavidG

RIP Gordon Lightfoot. I enjoyed his music. We had a med school housemate named Ed FitzGibbon who played piano. The 4 or 5 of us would do sing-alongs and The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald was a favorite, especially after successful parties. Of course we re-christened it The Wreck of the Edmund FitzG...

DavidG

I guess it’s a difference between American English and the King’s English, but it always seemed odd that Clive’s “quite good” ranked below his “good to very good.” As if “quite good” really meant “not quite good.” Bless his heart…

DavidG

Is there a "new wine cellar" exemption? That is, if you have a new wine cellar but not enough bottles that you can conveniently move into the cellar to make it look decent, can you purchase enough bottles so that you are not ashamed to let your wine friends inspect the cellar? Jim, should...

DavidG

I don’t think it’s fair to paint all retailers dealing in Bdx futures with the scam brush. The system sucked the financial advantage out of futures years ago (2019 being an exception). But most selling futures do deliver. The bigger problem is spotting the dodgy dealers. Those that go bad slowly can...

DavidG

This is a decent early drinker.

Chris, CT tells me I have 4.85 bottles of the 11 left that are ready to drink. I guess based on the hive estimate of the drinking window.

Arv, that’s a nice book review.

DavidG

Another excellent bottle of this. Dark red, nose opens in 30-45 minutes with nice ripe cherry and cassis, moist earth and tobacco. Medium body, really well balanced. Beginning complexity. Medium finish. Nothing sticks out but neither is it too slick or glossy. 13% alcohol for those who care. Very cl...

DavidG

High praise indeed! I bought a fair number of 2005 right bankers but somehow didn’t get any Conseillante. It’s one of my faves, what was I thinking?

DavidG

jckba wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:03 pm 6*2020 Domaine Jamet Cote Rotie @ $169.99/per
3*2020 Thibaud Boudignon Clos de la Hutte @ $95.99/per
1*2018 Arianna Occhipinti ‘Grotte Alte’ @ $67.99

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Yummm! When do you think you’ll start drinking those Jamets?

DavidG

For me precision is a combination of structure and flavor. Comparing the 2009 and 2018, with the 2009 the structure allowed each flavor and nuance to come through clearly while with 2018 it was muddied, everything coming together into an and anonymous single note. It is often, but not always, a pro...

DavidG

Thanks for the kind offer CV. Good to know it’s a reliable store. I am not in the market myself. I was really just trying to send a little enablement Jim’s way.

DavidG

Prices listed in pending auctions mean nothing to me. All I know is my own experience trying to buy 1989 Lynch these days, try to realistically buy it for under $500. The 89/90 Lynch lot means nothing to me. 1990 is not 1989. Adding 1990 to 1989 diminishes the value of 1989, what is the strategy be...

DavidG

Wine Searcher listings show Lynch Bages available at retail for $390 and on up right now in the US, and that’s without a Pro subscription. Auction hammer prices are typically lower than retail due to buyer’s commissions. The WMJ auction prices visible via CellarTracker show a decline from $460 last ...

DavidG

Trump belongs in jail for trying to overthrow the government, but he’s unlikely to end up there.

The last place he belongs is in the Oval Office but he’s already been there.

It’s a mixed up, muddled up, shook up world.

DavidG

Will the Resolute desk fit into a standard prison cell?

DavidG

Agree on 88 Lynch. I still have half a dozen left. Every one has been quintessential Pauillac.

DavidG

Who would have thought Blanquito’s palate would align with the critics at WE? I suspect you can find a pro to agree with a variety of different preferences if you look long enough. I used to be a fan of the critics. I mostly now find their besotted impressions rendered after a rapid-fire tasting of ...

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