Bordeaux Wine Enthusiasts

DavidG

Are $40-50 wines from 2019 and 2020 better than first growths from the 90s or oughts? Discuss If we’re ignoring inflation, give me first growths from the better years of the 80s-00s. Might I change my mind in 10-15 years when the 2019 and 2020 $40-50 wines are mature? Maybe, but I doubt it. Would b...

DavidG

JimHow wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:23 pm But where do "Mmm doggie" and "Baby doll" come in....

I think they'd fit right in with the Three Stooges Wine Rating System. Something along the lines of a triple Curly with a Woo-Woo-Woo.

https://www.the-stupids.com/?p=2057

DavidG

stefan wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 6:46 pm Lucie agreed that we can substitute Champagne

Was there ever any doubt?

DavidG

I grew up on Parker and was quite the acolyte in the ‘80s. The 100-point system made sense, but I was never able to rate wines that precisely, even if using only 85-100. Sure, I could do it with a group of wines in front of me at one sitting. But I couldn’t be sure that today’s 92 would consistently...

DavidG

It must be said: Well done. Well done, indeed!

DavidG

Been a looong time since I’ve been. Your post makes me want to go back.

DavidG

Label is as salty as the TN.

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DavidG

Excellent report Mark. I’m a big fan of 2009, and of Prieure and Giscours. Nice to hear they are drinking well.

DavidG

JimHow wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 3:38 pm Thanks Stefan what is the 2016 Lafite going for?

Auction prices for 2016 Lafite ranged from $731-782/btl in 2023 per Wine Market Journal. I believe those are hammer prices, not including seller or buyer premiums.

DavidG

In my experience, Coravin works reliably for a week, maybe two. Which should be enough in most cases. Beyond that is hit or miss. Repour is my choice for preserving bottles that we’ll consume over the course of a week. Cheaper and simpler. For a robust wine that will be finished the next day I’ll of...

DavidG

We’re headed to Dallas to visit Peggy’s family, then a place near the centerline. Much greater chance of clouds in April than for the 2017 eclipse in August. Fingers crossed!

DavidG

I was gonna say Pessac is south of the Medoc but I see Stefan beat me to it. By 6 years. Since it was an available choice, I picked it. Which made the job a lot easier. In the Medoc, I could give you a different answer each day of the week. Most days it would be Pauillac, with St Julien close behind...

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Not wine related, other than the Sun being responsible for ripening the grapes…

I was fiddling with exposure settings in preparation for next month’s eclipse when I had an unexpected visitor.
https://1drv.ms/v/s!Av7DKroxAyXPnRhp62G ... y?e=7VUqU6

DavidG

Well done esl! You’re in trouble now…

DavidG

Nic, you should do a most favorite appelation poll. I’m sure we’ve done them before. I’m probably an outlier there, my favorite is Pessac-Leognan.

DavidG

Flawed poll. No option for “none of the above.” I dont have a least favorite Bordeaux commune. I am a Bordeaux Wine Enthusiast. :D DavidG for President of the USA! This is a perfect answer from a politician (trying to please everyone, but at the end, we don’t believe it).😩 OK, serious answer is St ...

DavidG

Flawed poll. No option for “none of the above.” I dont have a least favorite Bordeaux commune. I am a Bordeaux Wine Enthusiast.

DavidG

Bummer, Nic, but thanks for the report. I haven’t had the 2005 Belair but it sounds like a number of other overdone 2005 St Ems, Bellevue Mondotte being the poster child of RP100s that jumped the shark. JC, I actually enjoyed the 2005 Larcis Ducasse. Though it was very ripe, lush, and modern, it was...

DavidG

Just started watching, am fascinated. Thanks for sharing!

DavidG

Nice ramblings Jim. I agree with you on 2016. I hope you are right on 2019 as I have a fair number but have tasted only a few on release. Very appealing but I have trouble predicting the future on such young wines. By the way, sending you one of these as you’ve apparently lost yours. :lol: IMG_0465....

DavidG

You can get recent auction hammer prices on CellarTracker (I don’t think they include buyer’s premium) and compare to Wine Searcher retail prices.

DavidG

Congratulations Jim and happy BWErthday to BWEs everywhere.

DavidG

Lots of pro-Palestine, anti-Biden sentiment among the large Arab population in Michigan. Trump is more likely than not going to be the next President.

DavidG

Interesting stefan. I think you’re a lucky outlier to be free of the Paxlovid taste distortion.

DavidG

Thanks for posting that video. My favorite part of the interview: His response when asked to name the best one or two bottles he’d experienced, where he explained that a great bottle of wine only exists in the enjoyment of two or more people who are prepared for it and can understand it. Not one, bu...

DavidG

Feel better stefan. I’m guessing you’re not on Paxlovid, as that seriously messes with taste.

DavidG

Looking forward to it!

DavidG

Wow, I’m salivating!

DavidG

I’ve had plenty of bottles show better on day 2. The 2005 Angelus was poor on opening, fair a couple of hours later, and excellent the following day. I don’t think that a young wine oxidizes that fast. Not much oxygen gets into it just sitting there in the bottle. Nor do I think that improvement on ...

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2005 Angelus : I approached my first bottle of this with some trepidation after a few other 2005 St. Emilions disappointed due to heavy over-extraction and overripe fruit. Immediately on opening the nose and palate hit me with raisiny sweetness, glossy ripe fruit, good acidity and tannins. I leave ...

DavidG

Same reaction here. They describe well what I am getting out of the 2014s. I found their comparison to 2002 interesting. Jim was a big fan of 2002. I thought he was unduly influenced by the MacArthur heist. To me at the time they were too lean and reserved. Over the years my preferences shifted. I r...

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DavidG

I recall a similar “10-years on” sentiment with 2002. Happy to have 2014 represented in my cellar. I think the most interesting statement regarding Farr's conclusion is that tasters felt that the wines would fare better when tasted alone. Large tastings are great, but true wine appreciation begins ...

DavidG

I agree with stefan. The 1998 is more versatile but more expensive. I think you should get 1 bottle of the 1998 and at least 2 of the 2014.

DavidG

Looks like 2014 is a sleeper vintage. More to enjoy there than one would think from reading the critics. And a reasonable value because of it.

DavidG

Thats good news on the ‘00 SM Jay. Glad they are showing well. Does greeness integrate lime oak over time?

DavidG

Another fan of the ‘16.
Recently enjoyed a ‘14, though not the equal of the ‘16.
Didn’t buy any ‘19.

DavidG

I agree with your characterizations Jim and put my money on 2016 and 2019, having bought more of those two vintages than any in the past decade. I just hope I’m around long enough to see them blossom. That’s a comment about my age and preference to drink Bordeaux at 20-30+ years, not about the wines...

DavidG

Jim revised the question to whether we would have ended up where we are now without Parker, and whether we would still have wines like the Gruauds and Talbots of the 80s. I agree with SFEd that we likely would have ended up in a similar place with or without Parker. He certainly catalyzed the proces...

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