Thanks, David.

Did NM taste the 2003 Pontet-Canet, Calon Segur, Pichon Lalande and Sociando-Mallet?

What's the most normal vintage of the 1990s?

1999? Maybe 1999 LB, too?

I haven't been to bordeaux in 12 years, and coincidentally, my brother and I are considering a trip to Aquitaine in April as well. Maybe we can organize a meet-up dinner if we're there at the same time.

How's the 05 LVC drinking these days per its tannins? I have around 2 cases but my last bottle a couple of years ago was still too tannic for current drinking.

Orlando, if I helped enable you buy some 2010 Bordeaux futures, karma has provided payback: I just pulled the trigger on some Chinon from Chambers St. I will report on some after they arrive.

Fair enough, Art. There are some solid, even good 2007 southern Rhones, but a bevy of them are like drinking a cranberry-vodka cocktail with lots of simple syrup. Nothing wrong with a cranberry-vodka cocktail once in a while, I guess, but not at $65+ a bottle. Come to think of it, 2007 southern Rhon...

OrlandoRobert wrote:

JimHow wrote:Vieux Telegraphe is almost $100 now.

Ridiculous. I used to love this estate. Anyone want my '07s?

I'll buy your 07 VTs, but only if you buy the rest of my 07 CDPs!!! 2007, it's good for two things: degreasing engines and killing brain cells.

DavidG wrote:Grand Veneur les Origines

Yes, excellent value, the 2000 is particularly excellent. Not sure how the new vintages taste per Parker's influence, but I got the 95-RMP-pt 2010 Grand Veneur les Origines for $35.

I does sound like we have similar palates, Orlando. For that reason, I am hesistant to try these Chinon's you like so much, as I suspect I'd get hooked (and I'm ramping down my wine buying these days, successfully so far). That said, today I just loaded up with a mixed case of some 2009 Ridge Lytton...

Good thread, we haven't had one of these in a while... Undoubtedly a constantly moving target as Parker's 100-point influence continues to put once reliable chateau out of reach (Duhart Milon used to be my sub-$30 Bordeaux QPR as recently as the 2003 vintage!), here's my take circa 2012. I modified ...

For me, it's a simple proposition: Parker's influence ("Parkerization") has made more regions and wineries unpalatable to me than he has opened new regions and wineries to me that I like. We can talk all day long about how much better Bordeaux is today, how so many chateau are making their...

Galloni!

I've been resisting trying any Chinon (I don't need any new wine regions together excited about), but this 09 GPL makes me reconsider that.

The 2009 might not be my bag in general, at least right now. I just expected more of the GPL, especially after the awesome 05.

JimHow wrote:Geez, Patrick, only 90-92 points, not a wow wine, split personality, lack of GPL typicity... Doesn't sound like a $150 wine to me. Nor does it sound anything close to the great GPLs of the past!

I agree on all accounts, though I paid $70 (still too high unless DavidG's optimism proves correct).

I've still never had a true epiphany red burgundy. White burgundy, yes, red burgundy, no. There's a wine guy in Colorado who's main passion is red burg. He's opened many high end red burgs for us that just haven't done much for me. The only red burg that I've really been impressed by was a 2005 that...

Jacques, I think we actually tasted a similar wine, except thankfully I just didn't get the new oak (which by itself could muster a 75 points from me). When I first opened the 09 GPL, it seemed seriously over-ripe and indeed showed traits that reminded me of some inexpensive South American wines. I ...

Pomilion, thanks for the input. I hope you are right!

I find myself appreciating your point of view, but I don't know who are you and what your biosketch is. Care to give the board a brief bio? I suspect I read your stuff on other "true names" wine boards.

2009 GPL Test-Drive It has a big, expressive bouquet with notes of uber-ripe black currants (think Ribena), violets, dust, cinnamon, and menthol with no obvious new oak. To taste, there's lots of iodine and minerals, very cassis, spicy, with a good pop of lemony acidity despite the ripeness giving ...

I bet in 5+ years, the "94+-Parker-Points-2010-Cantemerle!!!" will go for $50.

I hear you, Hound, but I don't know how I feel about your ambivalence.

But never fear, you can make money now flipping 'em if you don't like packed finesse.

Thanks for confirming, Jacques. I've had enough wines side by side with you to know that our palates are at least pretty well aligned, so I take your note seriously as there is little I dislike more than excessive and candy-vanilla oak. I have half bottles of the 09 GPL in my cellar, ITNOS I will op...

Here's the notes of the vertical I was referring to. http://www.cellartracker.com/event.asp?iEvent=16943 ." Interesting notes, Hound. One comment made -- "The post-'96 wines certainly seemed to be more "international" in style, lacking some of the Bdx character/t...

That's certainly an outlier score. Most people on CT seem to like it. Of course, they're not professional wine critics. But the BWE mantra is that the pro critics have nothing on the Everyman who knows his own palate. Or are all those folks on CT just parroting the critics? It is an outlier score a...

Jacques, Is this your Cellar Tracker note on the 2009 GPL? If it is, this is terrible! 2009 Château Grand-Puy-Lacoste (France, Bordeaux, Médoc, Pauillac) 1/16/2013 Jal Vanilla, oak, jammy hot and sweet. Absolutely disgusting. Where are the high ratings coming from? This wine is modern, resembles in ...

OrlandoRobert wrote:I do not think 2000 has lived up to the hype, but these are all still babes in the woods.

+1

Nicklasss wrote:Even If BobbyG likes pants drop, I don't want to see "THAT" picture of me here. I do not allow it.

Nic

+1!!!

Orlando, psst... 2010 Montrose... 99 points RMP... $195...

"Parkerized mechanics are certainly imposing. But an inner voice tells me that it is not the real thing. The Parker theory says a lot -- green harvesting, stricter selection, minimum manipulation, ultra-low oxygen in elevage, etc. --, but does not really bring us any closer to the secret of the...

Subscribers paid for the numbers. But then retailers always seem to have them first. Come sir, this is the Wine Advocate we speak of here!!! There is no greater friend of the little wine consumer. Indeed RMP is a swashbuckling advocate out braving the slings and arrows of nefarious wine imperialist...

I remain the proud owner of ZERO 2010 Bordeaux, futures or otherwise. If these wines become drinkable in my lifetime, I'll sponge off of all of my BWE brethren. I'm sure I can find something worthy to open in return. We'll all bring some 2010 to your next anniversary dinner (given what was opened t...

Talbot 2010... 94 pts... The Bob...

He shoots, he scores!

RDD wrote:

Blanquito wrote:I admit it, I bought a few bottles of the greatest Cantemerle since the late Pleistocene...

I just bought a case. I've been a fan since 1989 and the 1996 is special to Susan and me.

The 1996 Cantemerle is very fine indeed, holding together very well.

pomilion wrote:only 57 wines rated 96 or above
only 79 wines rated 95 or above

Should disprove all the cranks who think Parker's a grade inflator.

I assume this observation is tongue-in-cheek, i.e. "only"?

JimHow wrote:We already picked Cantemerle as a wine of the year, Patrick, as usual we are about five years ahead of the experts. Is there anything else they would like to know?

True that!

I admit it, I bought a few bottles of the greatest Cantemerle since the late Pleistocene...

2010 Cantemerle, the "finest Cantemerle I have encountered in my professional career of tasting young vintages (dating back 34 years now)", says RMP.

More hype-tastic grade inflation or the next BWE Wine of the Year?

And the 2010 Cantemerle, the Bob put a 94+ on that wine.

I know points suck, but wow!

Sounds like it is nuts out there! PremierCru has sold out on most of it's 2010 Bordeaux. The 2010 GPL is all gone, they had 24+ bottles just a few days ago, BWE strikes again.

This is a good thread, a BWE thread.