Bordeaux Wine Enthusiasts

Tom In DC

Hi Nic, I've had many, many fine wines from the Torres folks, going back to wines from the 60's and 70's, so I'll be on the lookout for their Ribera del Duero "Celeste". I've also never had a Mitolo that made we want to buy another one... You must be pretty good at this tasting stuff, Nic!...

Tom In DC

There's a Seinfeld episode where Kramer gets banned from the neighborhood fruit stand that sounds eerily similar. I'd go to bat for you, MichaelP, but I doubt it would help as I've never ordered from them and they'd likely just ban me too. "NO WINE FOR YOU!" Sorry I can't help either, Mic...

Tom In DC

The story goes that when Angelo Gaja was tearing out a Nebbiolo vineyard to be replanted with Cabernet Sauvignon, his father said "Darmagi" or "What a pity." Gaja still calls his Cabernet bottling "Darmagi"! I don't think there's very much acreage planted to Cab or Merl...

Tom In DC

I don't know how the preferred style of the critic affects typicity. I'm thinking more about a wine list in a restaurant, where you think you know what to expect when it says St. Estephe, Napa, or Margaret River. At the same time, when I think that way, I'm guessing that anyone ordering a Cos d'Esto...

Tom In DC

We'll miss you, David, and I was looking forward to what I could extract from your cellar in trade. :( We've always loved '75 Figeac and '75 Giscours -- just classic BWE wines -- so we'll bring both of those. Since we're taking two seats, we could add something like '70 Montrose or '70 Trotanoy. And...

Tom In DC

Good point about the "star system", Alex. Have you noticed how many generations of movie stars have been children of movie stars? And I completely agree about typicity. In the mid-90's, the Barolo and Barbaresco producers that went "100% new barrique" may have still been making g...

Tom In DC

Hi Alex! - the rating for Cos d'Estournel, which I thought overblown and seeking to impress, at the expense of the terroir I haven't tasted the Cos, and I can't begin to question your take on the wine, but I can't figure out why a wine can be denigrated in an absolute "what's in the glass"...

Tom In DC

I can't begin to suggest what "everybody is trying" to do from a winemaking perspective in Bordeaux, and I can't pretend to suggest that '47 Cheval Blanc is any current winemaker's goal. I'm only suggesting that those wines were at least as far from every "experienced" taster's n...

Tom In DC

Hmm,that's a valid take on Bordeaux, Werner, but by that standard we'd have dumped every bottle of '45 Mouton and '47 Cheval Blanc down the drain -- **untasted** -- because they were "out of pattern", right?

Tom In DC

I think we're test-driving some "BWE" wines from the seventies in a few weeks.

Gail and I are all in - we're down to only 42 different Bordeaux from the 70's. But 75 Mouton is a strong opening bet, Ian.

Tom In DC

On the other hand, traffic on eBob is looking like rush hour on the DC Beltway...nothing going on...

Tom In DC

I don't want to be the wifebeater of the group (oh, just look away...), but given that none of us have tasted the wine, upon what are we basing our boosterism? Can we decide which of the many pundits are "correct" without tasting the wine???

Tom In DC

1988-1990 was indeed a sweet spot for wine in many places, wasn't it PD?

I haven't spent any time with Bob in years, but he was a simple country lawyer with a love of wine back in the day...

Tom In DC

Ok, I know I have some Bordeaux but I have to find out exactly what. OTOH, I know I have one 1978 William Hill that has a BWE history, that wine will be definitely present. It might be fun to present some old Cali wines, in the context that "all old wines taste like they come from the Rhone&qu...

Tom In DC

Pappa,

You should be "grandfather-ed in" under any circumstance!

DavidG,

If you can find any pattern whatsoever in our basement, then you'll deserve the Nobel-equivalent in pattern recognition, since there are no discernible patterns in our cellar of which I am aware...

Tom In DC

Gail and I will be there with bells on!

Figuring "which wines" from the 70's will be great fun, but I'll be hoping for wines that are already in the basement... Liar's poker, anyone?

Tom In DC

Winehunter Alert!!!

2009 Tour St. Bonnet at $12.00/750, $11.50 if you buy a case of 12...

Tom In DC

So I'm just cracking the spine, and it opens to "Domaine Duclaux", of which I've never before heard. The description starts out: "The Duclaux family can trace their roots back to 1627 when Louis Duclaux was mayor of Chateauneuf-du-Pape." Just an amazing level of detail, that show...

Tom In DC

It's great to hear that you'll be with us, Lucie! So it looks like we have 10 for dinner. Anyone else interested -- Jimbo? -- speak now or... Gail wants a blind tasting, so we'll probably stand up a couple-few bottles for that -- can Gail identify "the best wine of her life" blind? -- othe...

Tom In DC

PS - Thanks for the note, Chris. Do you think that 2005 Bourgogne wines are pretty much ready or could still stand a year or two in the basement?

Tom In DC

Unfortunately, my last bottle. While I can understand anyone's desire to try as many different wines as possible, Chasse's lament is exactly why I still buy more than a couple or a few bottles of wines I think I'll like. I can't get into the "bought 8 dozen" school anymore -- I haven't se...

Tom In DC

I can buy into Patrick's "of my lifetime" approach as I think it's coming from the perspective that this is like '47 or '59 Loire whites, '59, '71 or '76 German Rieslings, '58, '71, '78, or '89 Piemonte Nebbiolo, or '59, '61, '82, '89, or '90 Bordeaux -- no matter how long you live, you'll...

Tom In DC

We have one bottle of 1994 in the cellar.

Tom In DC

Definitely get the consumer guitar store metaphor, Chris. In my travels, I sometimes look for a mid-price guitar that I can just store at/near the work site and give away at the end of the project. I'll play a hundred guitars before I think about buying one, but I always run away when I get the &quo...

Tom In DC

Excellent -- we can't wait!

Tom In DC

Gail and I were feeling some non-buyer's remorse for missing what sounds like a most excellent convention two weekends ago. So... We tossed out a few emails to the locals and, lo and behold, a quorum of the DC chapter -- DavidG and Peg, mr and mrs vino, Winona Chief and Marjorie, and the "in DC...

Tom In DC

Piling on...so many of the better wines from Bordeaux shut down from somewhere around age 4 to 8 and don't revive until somewhere between age 10 and 15 (or as much as age 25+ for some of the immortals) that tasting at age 6 to 9 just always seems an exercise in futility. Like DavidG, I always apprec...

Tom In DC

A class act from a class act.

Tom In DC

A tie seems fitting after so many legendary bouts!

Tom In DC

Chicago politics at its best...vote early and often! This also sounds like we missed another amazing evening...or could it be better described as a typical BWE convention??!! We've gotta reserve the dates farther in advance (and maybe find new clients who won't ignore vacation requests!) for next ye...

Tom In DC

Sounds like we missed a great evening! I can still taste Stu and Kathy's '59 and '61 from the last time we were in Chi-town...

Tom In DC

Sounds (reads?) like you're off to a great start!

Have a great time, y'all!

Tom In DC

Welcome aboard, ChristianC!

It takes some James Bond-like nerves to procure a full case of such a wine... You'll fit in fine here!

Tom In DC

Depends where you are, I guess...

In the piazza of a small town in Tuscany or the Langhe, it's usually about 10 euro. A bit more on the sidewalk at a bistro in Paris...

Tom In DC

When I got home from BWE Convention '05 (visit to the promised land), the 2002 Leoville-Las-Cases was the only wine on my "must buy at any price" list...thankfully, it wasn't priced at the "at any price" level! Hound, If you start marking your inventory to market, you'll never dr...

Tom In DC

This has been an entry-level "wine of a certain age" for decades (that's as far back as I can go...) They seem to hold good vintages back until they should be ready, and then price the wines at a "who could resist?"/"how can we go wrong?" level. The wines always seem to...

Tom In DC

I was jaded ( read "screwed") about Bordeaux futures 20 years ago, but that didn't make me stop playing the game. I'd be shocked if any merchant committed the money made in the 2009 campaign to lock up allocations in future vintages. I have to think that they see this is as a one-time-only...

Tom In DC

Agreeing with most above, since we're absent any admission of what the problem was, how can we think that we've arrived at a solution? No one can say what the pre-mox rate will be until a few years have passed, right? The Fevre Chablis are less expensive than the big guns (Dauvisaut, et.al.), but a ...

Tom In DC

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Apple folks can probably translate this into fan-boy-speak.

Tom In DC

Due to a change in my schedule, Gail and I will not be able to attend. Have fun! We'll miss seeing you all. :cry: Tom Blanquito SF Ed Jim H Jon N and Paula Jon B Danny and Danielle David G Rick and Kathy plus 6 Bill and Jan Howard & Lisa Jay and Peggy Stu and Kathy Chris B Nic Michael P Tim Chri...

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