Bordeaux Wine Enthusiasts

DavidG

Nice report marcs. I bought a buch of 2105 Cantemerle and have been popping them right and left. No complexity yet but I agree the nose is great and the palate is solid.

DavidG

Solely due to BWE enablement:
4 x 2019 Giscours

DavidG

Merry Christmas Nic and a happy healthy New Year to all BWEs!

DavidG

Awesome report Joel. Thanks for taking the time. A nice holiday present for the group. My top 5: 85 La Miss 82 Gruaud 86 Talbot 98 Angelus 90 Baron The 89 Lynch was my biggest disappointment. It wasn't corked or flawed in any detectable way, but it wasn’t anywhere near expectations. I left it in an ...

DavidG

I haven't had 2019 Giscours or d'Issan so can't comment from experience.
If they showed well at a BWE gathering, they warrant consideration.

DavidG

No objection to 2019 Montrose here. A few other worthy 2019s to consider:
2019 Palmer
2019 Vieux Chateau Certan
2019 Rauzan Segla

DavidG

Yowza!

DavidG

Thanks Mark, I have high hopes for the 2019s. And for my prospects for being around long enough to enjoy them in their early maturity.

I may never try many 2020s. I stopped after 2019.

DavidG

I think in Jim's absence we should pick something outrageous, just to see if he swoops in with a BD edict at the last minute.

Maybe Meiomi Pinot Noir - that's about as anti-BWE as you can get.

DavidG

Welcome back JD! Long time... I've only tried one 2019 so far, but I bought a fair number so I'll be watching with interest. I ended up with almost no 2019 St. Emilions. They pegged my over-ripe meter harder than any other commune back in the day, and I've been wary ever since. So of course the one ...

DavidG

Nice line-up and report! Despite TominDC's best efforts, it took me a loooong time to warm up to Italian wines. Still not a big Sangiovese fan unless it's blended with Cab. And I do like Nebbiolo.

DavidG

Looking forward to your impressions Joel!

DavidG

Opened the 2005 Pavie a couple of nights ago. Here's the note as promised: 2005 Pavie : Going through some 2005 right bankers. Was overwhelmingly disappointed by the Bellevue-Mondotte and thought I'd better check in on the Pavie. Cellared since release. Pop and pour, drunk over 2 days. Dark purple t...

DavidG

Bellvue Mondotte is Gerard Perse made just like Pavie and in 2005 both received the magical 3 digit score from Parker’s Richter scale, so why don’t you instead try to sell or consign them as they do have value to others. And then you can plug the dollars into something that won’t make you cringe wh...

DavidG

Danny, I don't think these were heat damaged, but anything’s possible. I think this is just a hot, overripe over extracted mess. Marcs and Stefan, I agree - been pretty happy with most 2005 left bankers I’ve opened. Not sure they all lived up to the hype but no regrefs. A lot of misses on the right ...

DavidG

Agree on the facts JC. Selection process has been whimsical.

DavidG

I bought a lot of 2005s. They are all over the place. This one is not a wine for drinking. This is a wine for laying down and avoiding. 2005 Bellevue Mondotte : Cellared since release, perfect cork and fill. Pop and pour, sampled over 4 hours. This has gone from “feh” a couple of years ago to “yuck”...

DavidG

Welcome back. Look forward to seeing more of you.

DavidG

That’s interesting as I would categorize them in exactly the opposite way. I find Turley wines enjoyable in their youth as they are high octane, ripe, juicy black fruited and peppery nuanced that can pair well with BBQ. The several times I have aged them I have ended up with pruney / raisany messes...

DavidG

JC, I hear you and understand where you're coming from. From my perspective, selection of wines that have been in the market for a while makes sense for BWE. It's part BWE's BWE-ness. We're more a fraternity of Bordeaux lovers/drinkers than a group that offers buying advice or critical analysis. Of ...

DavidG

marcs wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:14 am I remember when Prieure Lichine was itself like $30/bottle

I remember when it was $15. Before your time, you young whippersnapper!

DavidG

Eric,

DavidG

Can’t believe I missed a 1982 Gruaud! That’s what I get for not circling all the tables like a vulture and just sitting nursing a couple of brilliant wines like I did. I liked the 1985 La Mission but had it at a time in the evening when my palate was no longer registering new WOTN candidates My WOT...

DavidG

Great to see the gang again.
Saturday WOTN for me was 1985 La Mission Haut Brion.
Other standouts were 1982 Gruaud, 1986 Talbot, and 2002 Krug.
Plus another 20+ excellent wines I had a chance to taste, and too many others to get to.

DavidG

I had a couple of bottles of 1947 Borgogno, one at age 70 and one at 75. They were the red capsule original bottling, not the black capsule bottles reconditioned at the winery. I stood them up for 2 months prior to opening. Corks were soft but came out intact with a Durand (highly recommended). They...

DavidG

Ianjaig wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 12:33 am
DavidG wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 3:50 pm 4 x 2016 Malartic Lagraviere
Nice buying. I've had the 16 and thought it was beautiful, as was the 15.

Surprisingly, the 14 was really disappointing (nothing like the 15 or 16).

Good to hear. I was thinking give it 5 years before trying. Sounds like it’s already drinking well.

DavidG

A favorite producer and our wedding year, we went through a case of this a while back. Glad to hear it still delivers.

DavidG

4 x 2016 Malartic Lagraviere

DavidG

I may have already posted these when I bought them, but they showed up today: 2014 Leoville Barton x 12 2016 Leoville Barton x 6 Right in the middle of trick or treating, too. The FedEx guy must’ve been dodging dozens of kids. He rang and left it without even getting a signature. A treat for sure! M...

DavidG

OMG, how horrible. Glad you are safe Jim.

DavidG

Welcome to BWE drcheung! The answer is terroir: microclimate, soil, exposure to sun, etc. Debates over influence of terroir vs. intervention by the winemaker have existed for decades. Right bank properties are notably missing from his list. What Bordeaux have you tried and liked? Any of those menti...

DavidG

Very interesting. I wonder what impacts the end result more, average temp, number of spikes, magnitude of spikes? Or if each has their own different effect. Or how the vignerons respond.

DavidG

Welcome to BWE drcheung! The answer is terroir: microclimate, soil, exposure to sun, etc. Debates over influence of terroir vs. intervention by the winemaker have existed for decades. Right bank properties are notably missing from his list. What Bordeaux have you tried and liked? Any of those mentio...

DavidG

I could bring a 98 RB. There’s a possibility I could suffer temporary dyslexia and bring an 89.

DavidG

Assuming your friend likes aged Bordeaux and won’t have this reaction:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7sELqobCIXU

1970 Conseillante would be my first choice.
1983 Comtesse would be my second choice.

Of course, no great wines, only great bottles at this stage.

DavidG

I don’t have any 83s or 85s left either, but can bring something from that decade.

DavidG

barsacpinci wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:29 am 82
89
90

+1

Subject to revision as younger vintages come online.

DavidG · Re: BWE 2023 DC Convention 12/1-12/2 Peggy and I are in!

Peggy and I are in!

DavidG

Sounds nice. Cantemerle has been a regular go-to but I missed 2010.

DavidG

They can’t all be winners.

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