Bordeaux Wine Enthusiasts

DavidG

An embarrassment of riches!

DavidG

Yes, 40 has been our max for the Alcove room at Charlie Palmer. The room can hold more but we start to lose the space for moving around and it changes the experience. Thus my recommendation for 40 max.

DavidG

JCNorthway wrote: Besides, I think I would eat anything if I got to drink 1982 Gruaud Larose!

Touché! As much as I like a good pairing, sometimes the wine is more important than the food.

DavidG

Dates work for me. Should be possible to get the room at Charlie Palmer again if we're still interested. Are we due for a midwest or west coast convention?

DavidG

Mature right bank Bordeaux and salmon can be excellent. Depending on the prep, steak-y fish like swordfish can also match well. I agree that the softer fruit and more acidic profile of a Pinot Noir is a more natural match, but sometimes I just want a Bordeaux, fish or not.

DavidG

Yes it is. I was happy that I had no undelivered wine when I first heard that. Felt a little better when I heard they'd made good on them, but still happy to have nothing pending from them.

DavidG

Yes, they've bounced checks. Occasionally, here and there, over many years, not on a massive scale, and then covered them. At least as best I can tell from watching the various threads.

DavidG

Here's an interesting theory posted elsewhere. What do our financially savvy members think of this? No opinion on (or knowledge of) PC as a specific business entity. Comment is only to temper the math dissonance people have expressed, as they notice PC bouncing checks and continuously selling large ...

DavidG

A quick search on their site shows 212 Burgs in stock. Is that a big increase? I have completely stopped buying from them. As noted above, I'm too old and impatient for pre-arrivals, and I unsubscribed from the mailing list because I have too much fn wine as is. So they are below my radar except whe...

DavidG

Yes, yes, Bordeaux can be great in that window between release and the slumber phase. No argument there. My comment was based on personal preference alone. For some people, it's even better in that phase than in the phase when it starts to re-open, or even when it hits the maturity plateau. For some...

DavidG

I have no problem believing that Jim. I've had great Bdx/fish matches. If there was anything I would protest about that experience it is that you opened the Leoville Barton 20 years too soon. But that's just me.

DavidG

Nothing about the PC business model is clear. I don't feel a whole lot more educated about it after reading John Fox' explanations in that NYT piece. I think Arv has deduced the most likely scenario, posted either here somewhere or on another board. Most of us do not believe that they own/have purch...

DavidG

I'll second the notion that 1995 RB is turning out very well. Just had the L'Eglise Clinet, Angelus, L'Evangile and Gaffeliere on Saturday. All but the Gaffeliere were outstanding. The other three were wonderful and appeared to still be on the upslope of the aging and enjoyment curve, with most of u...

DavidG

I hear you, Arv. My Galaxy S6 takes pretty good pics. While it can't compete with a dedicated flash, at least I have it with me.

DavidG

I have had red Bordeaux with fish. No problem if the wine and food aren't a perfect match. Sometimes I can enjoy them separately at the same meal, if that makes any sense. As long as the wine and food don't clash horribly. Sometimes the food is so anti-red-wine that I won't do it. Spicy Asian is one...

DavidG

I'm with Danny here - the 1982 is the best Gruaud I've ever had.

DavidG

Well, Stuart, we're both probably getting old enough to have a few gaps in memory. You are correct that there were some special dispensations, but my recollection is that only the BD was qualified to bestow them. If you made it through with only one pre-arrival bottle and no new purchases, I would h...

DavidG

I was in Atlanta for some meetings and with help from one of the locals whom I've known online for over 20 years since the Prodigy BB days, we put together a group of 5 for dinner at Cooks and Soldiers. This is a Basque small plates place that's been open about 7 months. Corkage is $15 with some fle...

DavidG

It's the owner of Bic who is also the owner of some lesser-known Bordeaux estate. If it came up recently, maybe one that the BWE group visited in Bordeaux?

DavidG

A 7-month moratorium? That would be some kind of record Glenn. Remember when a bunch of us tried to go from Memorial Day to Labor Day without buying anything? We failed miserably.

DavidG

A 2007 CduP note without mention of too much over-ripe fruir is encouraging.

DavidG

I think it would be tough to sell 20-30,000 cases of wine without a distributor network, even with online sales. Especially expensive wine. If you're small and famous like SQN or in Bordeaux maybe Le Pin that might work.

DavidG

Don't confuse association with causation. Just because a wine got better after biodynamie practices were instituted does not mean that all biodynamie precepts are correct. A lot of biodynamie practices can be shown to be healthy for the soil and good for the vines. Others, like root vs. flower days,...

DavidG

I'm with Bobby Goulet. Loved this wine right after release, but it went into an alcoholic state of suspended animation that it was beginning to hint at emerging from when last tasted about 18 months ago. I've still got 8 in the cellar, and I'll wait another 3-4 years to open the next one. I've got f...

DavidG

Yes it is well-balanced, and I do like them when they develop those tertiary characteristics, so I'll keep a few buried in the cellar.

Curious if my notes are at all similar to what you all experienced at the Chateau, where the bottles have been sheltered from the vicissitudes of travel.

DavidG

May purchases:
2012 La Conseillante
2012 Clinet
2012 Clos Fourtet
2012 Larcis Ducasse
2012 Malartic Lagraviere
2012 Pape Clement
2012 Smith Haut Lafitte
2012 du Tertre
2012 Troplong Mondot
2014 Doisy Daëne

Don't tell Peggy!

DavidG

Danny, that was a tour de force. After reading the narratives, your photos really made me feel like a part of it. Well, a little anyway. Wish I could've been there. Well done!

DavidG

Well I just couldn't wait to try one of these. Yes, me. The one who's always chiding Jim for opening any good Bordeaux before age 10-15. But after reading all the positive impressions from our Bordeaux explorateurs, I had to try one before it closed down. Dark purple/black to rim. Cassis, iodine, fr...

DavidG

And the BD says 2010 is the best Bordeaux vintage in his lifetime. I think an investment in 2010 du Tertre is mandatory. As is an investment in the 2012.

DavidG

I was wondering the same thing. The 2010 is $5-10 more per bottle locally. I didn't see any notes from our Bordeaux ambassadors on the 2010 du Tertre. If you look at bordoverview.com, it looks like the 2010 gets a couple of more points than the 2012 from most critics except Parker, who bestowed a si...

DavidG

Wonderful tribute and remembrance Gerry.
My condolences.

DavidG

Nic, we are all in suspense...

DavidG

I've already bought 6 of the 2012 La Conseillante.
Looks like 6 of the 2012 du Tertre are on the horizon.

DavidG

Well there you have it. The trip confirmed your position Jim.

DavidG

Thank you Ian. It got a lot of love from the critics. Plus I found your note in the "Rigorous Training" thread: Ch. La Conseillante 2012 Different class and brilliant showing in the context of this vintage, with no hollowness, no greeness, just a seamless medium bodied delivery with some v...

DavidG

Ian, I know you only had the 2014 at La Conseillante this trip, but you mention tasting others recently. Any thoughts on the 2012?

DavidG

Jeff is a nice guy. Very positive, generous, friendly, and if you read his notes he is obviously enthusiastic about Bordeaux. He's like a great announcer for the local college team: you can call him a "homer" but he really knows his stuff. It's no wonder that the locals like him.

DavidG

Some great shots in there. I liked the one of the socks at Margaux.

DavidG

Depends on if it's a root day, flower day, etc., no? Or is that only at the biodynamic Chateaux?

DavidG

It depends on who you are writing TNs for, Alex. In a TN written for myself, it matters not if I use some term that is meaningless to others. But if I'm a critic, using a term that means different things to different people is indeed useless unless there is further explanation. And while Potter Stew...

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