Bordeaux Wine Enthusiasts

DavidG

Yeah, how'd we get from 1997 to 2007?

DavidG

It is true that Potensac is not a revered great growth, and that 2007 does not have a great reputation - a vintage of "luncheon clarets" to use the British vernacular. So I can see why others have been pessimistic. While $40 is not nothing, it may well be worth a try.

DavidG

Marc, I haven't heard anyone here say they tried it and didn't like it. Give one a try and tell us what you think.

DavidG

Really? You can order a handgun and ship it across state lines, Jay? With just a credit card? I bet you can't even do that in Texas. You sure can't in Maryland.

As to marrying anyone you want, that should be easy. We should try to make buying wine that easy.

DavidG

Seems the obvious solution is buy one and pop it right away. Decide for yourself if it's worth going back for more.

DavidG

Nice report! How do you get away with a mid-week lunch like that? No way I could go back to work after such an event. I'm definitely in the wrong business!

DavidG

Art, I think I agree with the concept that government doesn't belong in our private lives, and that a large part of marriage is private. But I think there are some problems with saying that government sanction of marriage or union is irrelevant or easily supplanted by contract. What about the right ...

DavidG

You were a leader ahead of his time who was not afraid to lead, Jim, even if your constituents were not yet ready to accept where you were taking them or see where the world was going.

It's easier to be a benevolent dictator, isn't it?

DavidG

Montaudon is a decent Champagne, available for $29 at apparently all the Total Wine stores in California. I like Cotes du Rhone for an inexpensive red. Saint Cosme Deux Albion and Grand Veneur Champauvins are good ones in your price range. Probably some good Zins in your price range as well but I'm ...

DavidG

I've had the Ch Tayac Cuvée Prestige from the Cotes de Bourg, but never the Ch Tayac Margaux. Looks like a good fill for a 30+ year old wine, so storage has probably been reasonable. 1986 should have started with enough tannins to last if the fruit is still hanging on, and 1983 was great in Margaux....

DavidG

Art, having to wait 30 years is a drawback, especially when you factor in the duds. There's plenty of good drinking starting around 10 years, even if the magic is just starting to show. My problem is that even though I've now been at this for over 30 years, I have had trouble resisting the urge to d...

DavidG

There is, of course, the notion of plateau. And a wine that is in its prime today may still be very enjoyable 10 years or more from now. I think we can agree that the notion of "peak" (hotly denied by François Audouze) does exist. Your notion and mine are different, but not radically so. ...

DavidG

I agree Danny. The ripe 2009s I had on release did not come across as Californian at all.

DavidG

Does the local water taste salty?

DavidG

Great questions, Patrick. I've got almost 10 cases of various 2009s, and I'll be answering those questions sometime between 2020 and 2030. I've got less 2010s, about half of them lesser wines for short term drinking, but the bigger boys are going to stay buried a lot longer than the 2009s.

DavidG

I wouldn't be shocked to see tertiary stuff in a '99 d'Armailhac.

DavidG

Interesting. Do you think it's obvious even if they use it just a little? Or is there no such thing as just a little RO?

DavidG

Ian was that a serious question about reverse osmosis? Is there a specific characteristic unique to RO, and if so, what is it?

DavidG

My take is similar to Stefan's. While different styles, 2009 and 2010 are at the top of the heap. I have no problem with the balance or ripeness of the 2009s but can see where they would turn off a traditionalist. Gross generalizations, but looking at the better classed growths, the 2010s will requi...

DavidG

I agree. Some of the lesser non-classed 2010s that make for very nice short-term drinking show that crisp structure and crunchy fruit. Particularly liking some of the low cost Graves/Pessacs.

DavidG

When you start talking 20-30 years, now you're talking my language. The magical complexity is there, and the fruit, though transformed, is still a part of it. That's what classed growth Bordeaux is about.

DavidG

I really enjoyed 2003 Pontet Canet on release, before it shut down, even to drink a few glasses. But I think in most cases Ian's comments about taste vs. drink resonate best with me. For me, a Bordeaux's raison d'être is to age into something greater than the sum of its parts when young. I may kiss ...

DavidG

I grew up fascinated with NASA and the space program. From a glimpse of the Sputnik in the night sky when just a little kid up to even now, really. The Mercury, Gemini and Apollo astronauts were my heroes. I built model replicas of the Redstone, Titan, Saturn, rockets etc. and would launch them at t...

DavidG

Another fan of the '88 Lynch here. This wine is often overlooked, living in the shadow of the '89 and '90.

DavidG

Alex, Jim put the expiration date at 10 years in his original post. Just so we're all on the same page, is that the time frame you're referring to, or are you shifting the conversation to 25 years, which is really a different question? Is it your experience that the majority (95% if your 20:1 commen...

DavidG

Nicklasss wrote:So Jim, for you, the best part of Elvis Presley carreer, is before he starts to sing?

Candidate for post of the year.

DavidG

Best: lunch with the BWE gang and Jean Michel Cazes at Lynch Bages in 2005.
Worst: a corked magnum of the 1989.

DavidG

JIm: You clearly like them young. I don't. So it's better for you to drink them young. Not for me. Chacun a son gout. I do agree with you that it's especially disappointing to open a bottle you've cellared a long time only to find it flawed.

DavidG

I am weak. I am unworthy. I am now awaiting delivery this fall of a 6-pack of 2010 Pichon Baron.

DavidG

You devils! You demons! You pointy-eared, red-faced, horned and tailed, cloven-hooved forked-tongued enablers! All this siren song talk of Pichon Baron. You've made me post in the "what have you bought lately" thread, once again breaking my "no 2010s" pledge! Now while we're on t...

DavidG

Those Kenyan birth registrars are just not dependable.

DavidG

And what of famed philanderer, umm, I mean philanthropist Jimmy "LB" How? What has become of him? Enquiring minds need to know!

DavidG

Wow, some really nice stuff there Harry.

DavidG

I can see how you fit in just fine with this group! I havent had them lately but your impressions match mine quite closely.

DavidG

Bottles of the 1990 Lynch Bages that I've drunk have been outstanding, at times rivaling the 1989. But they were pretty approachable early, while the 1989 was still brooding. As to Jim's suggestion about deserving demotion to cru bourgeois status, I think that is in part driven by what is in the bot...

DavidG

The French certainly have a way of conning people by putting a sauce on something to disguise the disgusting underlying flavour of whatever they are covering up. That's a bit presumptuous. I would hope that "the French" of whom you speak would not be equally culturally insensitive and con...

DavidG

OK, Michael, knowing how broad your vinous horizons are already, when I opened this thread and began to read "My wife invited another couple over," I began to wonder if what was to follow would be wine tasting notes. Nice ones, BTW.

DavidG

I could probably get Peggy to come to London.

Qatar 2022?

DavidG

Hmm, maybe there's some ancestry there that I'm just not aware of?

I also have friends that rate some bretty-ish wines I just love as DNPIM, including Pegau and some of the Talbot and Gruaud Larose bottlings. I suspect they would be more the outliers than me amongst our group.

DavidG

I eat eel at sushi places all the time. Love it.

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