Bordeaux Wine Enthusiasts

pomilion

Putting aside, for the moment, all of the negatives about Parker, it's interesting to see how he rates each particular bordeaux region in a given vintage. Here are his regional ratings for 2005, 2009 and 2010 (obviously some extreme grade inflation here from the Anti-Wine Consumer Advocate): 2005 St...

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Blanquito wrote:
pomilion wrote:only 57 wines rated 96 or above
only 79 wines rated 95 or above

Should disprove all the cranks who think Parker's a grade inflator.
I assume this observation is tongue-in-cheek, i.e. "only"?

The Anti-Wine Consumer Advocate strikes again!!

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only 57 wines rated 96 or above
only 79 wines rated 95 or above

Should disprove all the cranks who think Parker's a grade inflator.

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I've tried '10 Giscours and thought it was excellent though the '09 imo is just a smidge better.

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Gerry M. wrote:Is there any opinion on the 2010 Gruaud Larose? How's $60 for in-stock?

It showed really well at last month's UGC tasting -- one of my top 6-8 wines of the tasting. I'd be all over it at $60.

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. robertgoulet wrote: in fact the entire canon la gaff. stable was fantastic and by far the sexiest 2010 exotic spice delight of the night '10 CLG was fantastic at last month's UGC, one of the top wines of the night - as you say, very spicy, sexy and exotic. Actually this was not the wine I was ref...

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robertgoulet wrote: in fact the entire canon la gaff. stable was fantastic and by far the sexiest 2010 exotic spice delight of the night

'10 CLG was fantastic at last month's UGC, one of the top wines of the night - as you say, very spicy, sexy and exotic.

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GPL is my biggest 2010 purchase so far. If you're buying bordeaux in this price range and want to buy some '10s, this is perhaps the top wine to consider. I paid $89 on futures almost two years ago and am happy with the purchase -- $80 is a fantastic price. I've loved the three bottles of '05 GPL I'...

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The '07 is a very nice wine, wish it were $50-60 instead of $75-80 though it's still tempting. I've had it three times and was impressed each time.

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I agree that the range is a little tight but it's not completely crazy. I went to a Pontet Canet dinner in Los Angeles with Alfred Tesseron in attendance a couple years ago. '94, '96 and '00 through '08 were poured. All of the wines were at least good to very good, some with the potential to be grea...

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Parker's basic attitude toward Figeac is encapsulated in this excerpt from his latest review of the 2000 (sounds like a wine Gilman would love!): "... a herbaceous, thin, washed-out style. Of course, there are those who would defend this wine as a quintessentially elegant, old-style, classic wi...

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Though '04 is a middling, uneven vintage in my view, there are definitely some nice wines and (relatively speaking) great bargains. A couple years ago I picked up a few cases of Lascombes for $29.99/bottle and a bunch of Pontet Canet for $55/bottle ('04 PC showed really well at a dinner with Alfred ...

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Here are my notes on 2010 Troplong Mondot from last month's UGC tasting: "Troplong Mondot -- the most controversial wine of the tasting by a mile. I don't mind modern-styled bordeaux, as you can probably tell, but this is just too much. It's delicious in a CA-styled, almost syrah or zinfandel-l...

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Gilman's "calling it as he sees it" is simply Gilman trying to make a name for and call attention to himself. He's a contrarian and provocateur who wants to be noticed. Having tasted the 2010s at last month's UGC, I would agree with him that 2010 is not as consistent as 2009, but I can't t...

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greatbxfreak wrote:I've to admire Francois Mitjavile from Tertre Roteboeuf. He didn't apply for upgrading. Maybe he should have, but now he's not involved in legal battle. For me this wine is in top 3-5 in Saint-Emilion.

Couldn't agree more.

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You didn't sufficiently disguise your intent -- Margaret, Margo for short! Congrats!

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Bacchus wrote:That''s quite a range of scores for the Haut Batailley listed on the Farr page....Interestingly, the highest score on the Farr page was assigned by Neal Martin, a range of 92-94

I've become quite a fan of Neil's reviews -- the biggest reason I still subscribe to TWA.

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OrlandoRobert wrote:Any thoughts on the 2010 La Tour Carnet?

Tried it twice at the UGC last month -- it was one of the top 'value' wines of the day. Also liked Haut Bergey, Latour-Martillac, La Pointe, Lafon Rochet and de Fieuzal on that end of the price spectrum.

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robertgoulet wrote:I tasted the '10 GPL....it's a buy for sure as is their entire stable...same with canon la gaff...'10 the entire stable is deep

'10 CLG was one of my top three wines at this year's UGC.

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Sounds definitely worth trying (Haut Batailley). Here are some other reviews of both Haut Batailley and Batailley:

http://www.farrvintners.com/wine.php?wine=25954

http://www.farrvintners.com/wine.php?wine=25849

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According to something I read somewhere (sorry about the lack of precision), the real deal of 09 might be the Haut Batailley. According to what I read (I think Decanter, but not entirely sure) it is supposed to be just a hair short of the GPL in 09. Anyone try it? I don't normally buy it, but if it...

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Been thinking about buying some of the '08 myself. Bought some '09 - though pricier, it's incredible (had it as last year's UGC and popped a bottle a few weeks ago).

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The 2005 GPL is the real deal. I dunno about the 09 or 10 GPLs (which sound terrific, admittedly), but if 2005s are available for less than 2009/10, that would seem a reasonable buying approach. Totally agree about '05 GPL -- fantastic wine, have had it a few times. Bought some for around $90 a few...

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So how should Gilman score Bellevue Mondotte or Pavie? He hated them both. Considers them undrinkable. Using the 2003 Bellevue Mondotte as an example, which I thought was terrible, should the score be "NR" for not rated and just let the note read for itself. I'd be good with that. Robert ...

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Bettane certainly appreciates more modern-styled wines. I don't have a problem with Gilman's taste running more old-school -- it's the way he obviously massively exaggerates his low scores for wines he doesn't like, in a way that clearly seems calculated to draw attention to himself. It's too bad, b...

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There are some ridiculous Gilman stunt scores in the WFW notes (e.g., Angelus 8/9, Bellevue Mondotte 9, Pavie 0-3...). When the issue was in galleys Gilman's scores were all included in the average score for each wine (e.g., dragging Pavie's overall score down to 13.5); the WFW editors made the quit...

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2010 GPL has been touted by some critics (including Neil Martin, among others) as one of the top 10 wines of the vintage, a vintage many critics are calling another vintage of the century (I tasted many of the wines last month at the UGC and it is indeed a great vintage; GPL wasn't there, unfortunat...

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbSBXGlYltA

classic.

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I'm not so sure Tanzer is an anti-flavor elite; or that the modern trend (for vignerons is towards moderation)...and there is definitely a point gap between his and RP's upper ratings, but I wouldn't say it is extremely large for (what some might call) over-the-top wines. He's not nearly as polariz...

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When the news came out about Parker selling a stake of TWA recently, I seem to recall an oddly nonchalant quote from Lisa Perotti-Brown about offering contracts to TWA's contributors but not seeming to care too much who stayed or left...

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Robert, I have rarely ever seen the Wine Advocate. What percentage of Bordeaux wines he reviews would you say were not classified wines or of a similar status? Alex Hi Alex, Not Robert, and not stated as percentages, but here are his review counts of red Bordeaux (rated 85 or above) for the last fe...

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I voted for St. Emilion partly because someone had to... If I were voting based on my current overall preference it would probably be Pauillac, but many of the wines I liked early in my bordeaux courtship were St. Emilions, and I'd be quite happy to sip on a great vintage of Angelus or Tertre Rotebo...

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Claret wrote: The purity of fruit and spice on the Rhys wines is something to behold.

Couldn't agree more -- my favorite CA pinot producer.

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OrlandoRobert wrote:There is only one California Cab under $50 that I enjoy as much as Bordeaux in that price category: Ridge Estate Cab. The 2009 is fantastic. By the case, I paid $38 per.

One of my favorite under-$50 CA cab blends for sure.

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Thanks for the notes, CF. I've always really enjoyed Neal's writing and need to get around to trying some of the more modestly-priced Pomerols he recommends. Planning on buying his book.

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"In general, under $30 Bordeaux is nothing special. vs. There are many great deals to be found under $30 in Bordeaux." Voted for the latter, though the wording of the poll is a little flawed -- I would say the majority of bordeaux under $30 is certainly nothing special, but there are some ...

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Well said, David - I agree with all of your remarks, including Fiering being largely off-base in her organic/natural/biodynamic argument. It's also tiring, as well as inaccurate (or at least an over-generalization), to discuss bordeaux having lost its "soulfullness." I'm in my early fiftie...

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2010 might be the year for Burgs: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/13/dining/reviews/red-burgundy-from-the-2010-vintage.html?ref=dining My wife and I were in Burgundy for a couple weeks in July 2011 and had some fun visits (Voillot, Javillier, Pavelot, Lafarge, Benjamin Leroux, Clos de Tart and Mugni...

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Pomilion is right on the mark regarding the absurdity of the scoring situation. The proliferation of >95 point wines drives demand and prices while at the same time making scores less meaningful in helping to differentiate between wines. Well, if you're counting 2010s that could potentially score a...

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I think Parker's in-bottle 2010 scores come out at the end of this month. He scored ten 2010s a potential 100 points (range w/ 100 at high end) from barrel: Ausone, Haut Brion, LMHB, Lafite, Latour, Petrus, Mouton, Beausejour Duffau Lagarrosse, L'Eglise Clinet and Pontet Canet. And he scored another...

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