Bordeaux Wine Enthusiasts

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Have any other '08s come out? It would be very interesting if they have not (waiting to see if Angelus actually sells).

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Nic and I concluded that these wines just are not of a nature that they should be compared with anything else. These are wines that you uncork with a dinner and watch unfold over the course of several hours with the meal. That's pretty much how I feel about Burgundy. I dearly love the wines, but al...

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I made a "strong buy" recommendation elsewhere.

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It's not the extra excitement it lacks, but the extra acid.

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Glad you like the Paterberg. Indeed the alcohol level of the finished wine is not part of the pradikat system (except for legal minimums - sometimes an issue for TBA). Strub has eliminated sussreserve since 2005, and so the alcohol & sweetness are all entirely from what was harvested (of course ...

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Maybe it's time to drink some of my 2002 Huet Sec bottlings.

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You guys are missing half the fun - misinterpret RP then get the human shields to mock you in a 15 page thread on RP's site.

Kids...can't...teach...them...anything.

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Considering that he was discussing Bordeaux, I would have though RB was obvious.

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Actually he said RB 03 & 01. Some LB 2002s and "top" 04s.

It's in a thread about '08 EP.

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I age Pride wines for a long time. I'm still working on my '95s. I love how they drink with some age on them.

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Of course the 2006s are not all that gassy to begin with...I had several of them "pop and pour" about a year ago with Katarina Prum & they showed beautifully right out of the gate.

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John - I had (and still have) the regular. It's a stunning wine. I have a good friend who has the *** version & her experience has been mixed - some really good, some going OTH from 375. I would drink up. If you open the Prum grab a decanter! The regular 1989 Abstberg is drinking well with about...

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I just opened my first 2001 (not a rich, tannic vintage) and it was glorious with 2 hours of air (no decant, just poured an ounce to make sure it wasn't corked then left it alone). The '99 (a strong but not as tannic vintage) is just starting to get good. My plan, and I have the 2005 in the cellar, ...

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The first question is what is winereviewonline? Any actual credibility there? As for the mass-market calling card: I actually know someone who loves the Jadot Bourgogne & buys a case every year. He doesn't really like wine though. Jim - obviously I cannot travel into the future, but based on the...

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If you really think the Jadot generic Pinot is going to be a paradigm shifting experience then you deserve what you get.

Again - adot does a great job with their Domaine wines, and some of their negotiant bottlings are excellent, but the mass market stuff is the same old swill.

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Bodeaux/Burgundy: A Vintage Rivalry by Jean-Robert Pitte

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Our 16 year old cat recently brok her her leg & we're spending a lot of money in the hope it heals. It's no sure thing, but we were not going with the vet's first recommendation.

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As I briefly mentioned lesewhere, the 2005 are getting more and more closed every single day. That said - Aloxe is not the place to look for great Burgundy. Bouchard did make some lovely wines in 2005, their Beaune du Chateau 1er Cru being a great value and fantastic wine (I have not tasted much els...

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What truth are you hoping to uncover? The 2005s are getting more and more closed every day.

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Thanks Alex. I have some resting peacefully, but may have to stand one up.

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The top 3 wines were gone within 5 minutes after they were revealed. I got seconds of all 3.

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The 2000 Clos l'Oratoire was $15.99 locally back when it was purchased. All except the 2005 were bought on release.

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Our tasting group met last night with 11 wines served blind. The theme was eventually revealed as "Recession Reds", consisting of mostly inexpensive 2000 Bordeaux bottlings with one 2005 thrown in. Comments are kept short - many of these wines do not even deserve a eulogy. 2005 Chateau Che...

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Zachy's still has it for $29.99 on sale (that's where I got mine).

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I don't know what the Jadot is consting you, but you can get Bachelet Cotes de Nuits Villages that blows away this negotiant stuff for about $30.

Don't get we wrong, I love Jadot, but their big production negotiant village wines are not their strong suit.

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Good deal on the Dr. Fischer if you like their lean, pick before it rains style. I've never been a fan.

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You know what was a good little year for German wines, at least to a novice like me, who bought a bunch based on PD's recommendations, and really enjoyed them, was 2002. That's one of the last classically styled vintages (along with 2001 and 2004). Haven't seen its like since, though I am hearing 2...

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Sorry I got to this so late...if you want "driving acidity" (not quite sure what that means - but I presume you mean that you want a more "electric" experience) then the '07 Paterberg may not really be your wine. The Bruckchen Kabinett is brighter & more of a summer quaffer. ...

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There's better restaurants in SB (if any are still open).

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The 2005 is $44.99 from the same store that has this '98. I would never buy a bunch of the '98, but the extra $5 seems worth it if you want to try a more mature vintage.

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Last night I had the opportunity to drink a wine from a good producer-Grand Pontet-in a great vintage for St. Emilion, 1998. A local retailer was able to bring in a substantial quantity of this wine last fall, direct from Bordeaux, and it's available for a reasonable price considering its age and pr...

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The comment "second wine of a second growth" got me thinking. I buy all sorts of wines from folks who make a "reserve" a "goldkap" or some other special version of the wine I normally buy. In some cases doesn't that really make the regular release at least a 1.5 wine? I...

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The 2001 is drinking very well now. I'm not advocating changing one's drinking preferences, but it is quite delicious (and more approachable than it was 3 years ago).

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The 2006 is $46 around here. The 2005 was $50. The 2003 is languishing on some shelves locally for $50.

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Ok I love Jadot, but negotiant Pommard from a "normal" vintage is not where I would go for pleasurable drinking.

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Remember when you could get Clos du Marquis for less than the price of dinner for two... The 2001 is drinking very nicely right now. It's showing lots of fruit, and the tannins have mellowed a little bit. From my glacially paced cellar it can still use 3-4 more years to start developing meaningful s...

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Jim,

You have more than a couple of years to follow the Jadot. Unless the premox beasties get it I would drink with confidence until 2015.

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Lay off the 2005. It is totally shut down.

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David - see my comment above. PMs remain in your "outbox" until read.

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DavidG wrote:I've long been a fan of Bin 389, though I can't recall when I last bought any. What's it go for nowadays?

$25 or so.

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