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Mixed case of Oregon Pinot from Marcus Goodfellow. A few bottles of the great Heritage 4 were included.

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Found Rauzan Segla 2020 in London at a bargain $74. Also Haut Brion 2020 for $450. I know the 2022 prices are not sticking and will likely come down, but I still backfilling with ‘16 if you can find them, ‘19 and ‘20 makes sense.

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Comte Flaneur wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 7:54 pm Bin soiled labels so got em on the cheap

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Love bin soiled labels. Usually cheaper, and there tends to be little or no ullage.

However make sure it doesn’t come from a flooded cellar.

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Those chicken thighs on the slow cook are super crispy and the lamb chops are ready roll. Grilled some potato slices along with corn on the cob (hello summer!). Sociando is opening up, much richer than earlier. Red fruit is really coming thru along with some forest floor. Amazing that in the meanti...

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Ok sold.

You may have to come to Westchester to pick up the wines and we may have to do a lobster dinner offline to make sure they are decent.

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BTW I hope you don’t mind a quick commercial, if anybody is interested in half a dozen bottles each of 2020 Vergers and Malatroie, I had to buy a 12 bottle case to buy a couple of Grand Crus. I am happy to keep six of each and was planning to sell the other six at my cost, which is $88. Currently in...

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Three lobsters and Niellon are perfection You’re just one lobster short.

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The French say "Comparaison n'est pas raison". But... When I think about ageing wine, I think about US presidents. US presidents? Well, if it's a choice between a John F. Kennedy or a Joe Biden, I'll take the former. The young guy full of spirit and punch, as opposed to the old guy who ha...

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BWE W one of the year?

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stefan wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 6:22 pm >>
Drouhin Musigny 2019
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Were you able to get it at a price that has only three digits?

Around $800, but they only had one.

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So I assume you guys have found CellarRaiders a reliable source of old Bordeaux? He often has stuff I am interested in but I have been gun shy so far. People swear by Cellaraiders, but I gave up because too often bottle conditions were not described (because VHS is “normal for wines from the 80’s”)...

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A few wines
Leoville Las Cases 1985/1989. I am not a fan of the extracted vintages of Las Cases, but these two alongside the 1996 are well worth buying.

A single bottle each of Drouhin Musigny 2019 and the ever young Magdelaine 1982.

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I have been drinking a lot of Bordeaux lately, a few Burgundies but not much else. Bought some magnums in the UK, but had a couple of bottles here, so thought I would brave the heat and try one. Glad I did. 2008 Bruno Giacosa Barolo Falletto Le Rocche del Falletto Riserva A young pup indeed, but an ...

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Saint Emilion?

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Same source
Palmer 1989
Las cases 1985/9

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“ Well even Hillary would agree he was lawfully elected in 2016. My concern is that we are becoming South America, and Myanmar, and Indonesia, and….”

I am not even sure about that. If it had undergone the same scrutiny as 2020, it would have probably not held up.

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Of course not totally obliterated, but terroir definitely begins to disappear north of 14% and if it does hit 15% I get absolutely no sense of place and no complexity. It doesn’t help that the balance goes awry, and there is an overall impression of heat. Still waiting on my 2020 VCC, but the ‘15 wa...

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I bought it at the same time as the new Bordeaux Neal Martin book. Definitely not a fan.

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The fourth edition came out in October 2022.

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This was one of my reference books, and I still use it for a historical perspective although it is now thirty years plus old. His tasting notes are also dated, but they have the virtue of coming from a classical palate. For more up to date reading and also some brilliant research may I recommend Ste...

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Pretty well agree with most points raised so far. I guess another component to the argument is whether or not since the advent of modern technology/winemaking, knowledge share, etc. of course terroir and the raw ingredients still carry a lot of weight and matter, but I guess does it matter as much ...

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2019 Comtes Lafon Volnay Santenots du Milieu 3 2021 Emrich-Schonleber Auf der Ley Riesling Grosses Gewachs 1 2019 Willi Schaefer Graacher Domprobst Riesling Auslese (Auction) 2 2021 Willi Schaefer Graacher Domprobst Riesling Spatlese (Auction) 1 2021 Wittmann Westhofener Brunnenhauschen Riesling Gro...

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Blanquito wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 4:36 pm How’s the 2000 VCC?

Beautiful

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I tried to tell our BD this last year, and he still chose the Conseillante over VCC.

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2014 VCC is available at Chicago Wine co for $1249 for a six pack.

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Re Right Bank I would totally agree with you. VCC is for me is equal or superior in some vintages to Petrus. On the two occasions I have had them side by side I have also preferred it to Le Pin. But when 2022 came out at $350, I passed. Not sure why, as it is the first vintage of VCC I have not purc...

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I would agree with you that the top wines in Pauillac are the three first growths, although I thInk Mouton is the weakest of the three as it is far less consistent. That being said, the original question was about value, and is the marginal increase in quality worth the massive increase in price? In...

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I think the price premium is more a function of wealth distribution (HHI etc.) than a warranted qualitative premium. But that's ok! I'd rather a Beijing billionaire is making Lafite/Cola cocktails, and pumping up prices in a category I would not participate in, than dabbling in estates where I'd ra...

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At the time of the 1855 classification, the differential between first growths and the top seconds was around 40%. The largest gap ever was around 2012, when Lafite increased to 800%, and the other firsts around 500%. This coincided with the height of he Chinese Bordeaux craze; the difference is now...

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I don’t see any reason why the negociants would do that as they have no say in the pricing.

What I am expecting to see more of are cases of mixed vintages, which will help both trade and chateau to move bad vintages.

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The same sort of article could have been written years ago because it is not exactly new that better, older vintages have been availabe at a lower peice than en primeur. Yet still the system continues.. Its bubblebursting collapse has long been predicted but has never materialized. I'm not really d...

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I don’t think there is any doubt that buyers of 2022 could buy most of the wines for less over the next five to ten years.

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I think there are plenty of great Bordeaux values out there. In fact, compared to Burgundy, Bordeaux even at the high end is a terrific value. But they have huge quantities to sell, and plenty of competition, so the pricing and the message behind the pricing, should not be “let’s screw the consumer....

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https://www.wine-searcher.com/m/2023/07/bordeaux-en-primeur-leaves-a-bad-taste A excellent article. Sums up my fairly negative thoughts about the vintage. The Bordelais got greedy (again) and the sales were mediocre. Finally there is the beginning of pushbacks from the negociants. There was always a...

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Alex, Since you almost never comment on my articles from primeur week in Bordeaux, I must comment on your writing. Honestly, I get very little from it, and good, very good, and very good plus ranking is, for me, totally anachronic. It's tough to compare your notes to mine since you often use some u...

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Some half bottles of 2022 Bordeaux. Montrose, GPL, Talbot, gaffeliete, Carmes and Pichon Lalande

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Interesting Alex. Thanks for the notes.

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I bought 3 x 2020 chateaux
Cheval Blanc
Montrose
VCC

They are most likely for my son and grandchildren.

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Several chateaux have made commemorative labels to highlight a special year. They all seem to look like a poor man’s version of château Palmer.

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Palmer. Nothing is close; just gorgeous. The wine is not bad either.

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