Bordeaux Wine Enthusiasts

OrlandoRobert

I believe the once classic Malartic and Les Carmes went modern ....Graves in a flat spin...ughh BobbyG - Les Carmes Haut Brion has definitely gone modern. I really loved the more lean, often herbaceous, red-fruited Les Carmes, though fully understand that many believed it was not performing up to i...

OrlandoRobert

JimHow wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:39 am What should I do with my two pristine cases of 2015 Canon?

Cocktail party after you win Alaska!

Or, bring it to Alaska to warm you like a fine Cognac.

OrlandoRobert

Love this thread but I wonder, should we update it with the ones that were still good in recent years until going to the dark side? A lot of us still backfill older wines, so this would be quite useful for wines from the 90's and 2000's. Figeac is a good example. Obviously a lot of this will be sub...

OrlandoRobert

Good listing OrlandoRobert. I would add Potensac, Latour-Martillac, de Fieuzal, Figeac (pre-2013?), Ausone, Petrus, Lafleur, Cos Labory, Leoville Las Cases (in the same kind of way as Pichon Baron), Tour Saint-Bonnet. None of the First Growth? I think all of the FGs are classic though Haut Brion ha...

OrlandoRobert

robert goulet wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 10:16 pm My bordeaux WOTY so far is 1993 D'issan

BobbyG, you are a very odd duck.

Big Papi needs to pop better wines for you!

OrlandoRobert

Blanquito wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:21 am Another 3 bottles of the 98 Figeac!!! (Bringing my haul to 6)

And 4 bottles of the 1981 Ridge York Creek Cabernet.

Damn, dog!!!

Need me some more. Such a gorgeous drink.

Pat, go grab some 98 BAMA. Trust me. Drinking it right now.

OrlandoRobert

Is Larose Trintadon still classic ? Been hearing lots of praise on the 2016. I am curious as well. I broke my teeth on this wine early on. Served the 1990 at my 1996 wedding. We had 200+ guests so had to be modest but wanted high quality. The 1990 delivered in spades. I might have gotten laid that ...

OrlandoRobert

Never heard the term BAMA before tonight. Is this a Berzerkers thing? What?! Huh? OMG. Bitch, this is an Alfert thing! 8-) And here I was writing about Jaugaret and Jaugueyron, thinking you knew about BAMA. BAMA is otherworldly. I love love love his Chateaux. Read the write-ups by William Kelley an...

OrlandoRobert

I like OB's list! it has most of my votes: Montrose, Calon Segur, Lafon Rochet No qualms about his Pauillac selections, but, OB, what is your view on Pichon Baron? No qualms about his St. Julien selections, although I've never heard of Jaugaret (sp?) No qualms about Margaux, except I've never heard...

OrlandoRobert

sisler wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 9:30 pm I discovered that Montrose never made it for the BWE wine of the year. I recently drunk a bottle of 2003 and it was one of the best Bdx wines I ever had.

Have you tried the 2005?

Personally I think it is better than the 2003, it is a stunning wine. I went out and immediately bought more.

OrlandoRobert

OMG how the heck did I miss BAMA!?!

Scandalous!

BAMA, Magdelaine and Sociando are my three biggest Bordeaux holdings. I should be flogged.

Just amended to add it in.

OrlandoRobert

So juxtaposed to the Modern Bordeaux thread, seems to me that we should have a running thread where members can identify those Bordeaux château that remain classic stalwarts. I will skip the first growths, focusing more on the wider range of classic offerings across the spectrum, and hopefully other...

OrlandoRobert

I remember tasting with Jeff the 1998 Magdelaine against the 1999 Pavie. I will leave you to guess which one he preferred. I brought the '99 pavie to a pavie vertical with Bobby...its was the only somewhat decent bottle in the line up, but in no way can it compete with Magdelaine. While not on par ...

OrlandoRobert

... And in particular, those in the affordable range, not just the top Classified Growths, which tend to be in the Venn Diagram for modernists and classicists alike. ... * Lanessan went to the dark in 2015, so load up on 2014, it’s excellent. 1) I think Ch. Talbot fits in that set. 2) in another 5-...

OrlandoRobert

Very well stated, Connor. I personally think we have a confluence of events that have lead Bordeaux in this direction: modest change in climate; consultants push for greater ripeness and approachability, followed by higher critic’s points and then more dollars; the market for classic Bordeaux taking...

OrlandoRobert

I'm just not finding much enjoyment out of young wine...and as u have said Jim, with modern wine making techniques used today, all the houses are starting to taste the same. I'm out At 50, not a bad Idea to be buying up what you like, even if young, to set aside for drinking in your 60s. There are ...

OrlandoRobert

Rolland does as much consulting as the owner wants; be it in the vineyard, where he is apparently very knowledgeable about the health of the vines or the cellar where he makes a pig’s breakfast out of everything. The biggest problem is his take on ripeness, where he pushes for the pruny over the fr...

OrlandoRobert

As a general comment, it is funny how people that doesn't ever made a single bottle of wine, if so, surely not in Bordeaux area, and that are BWE, are writing that Olivier Bernard managing Domaine de Chevalier since 1983 and probably involved in the manemaking since then, is making kinda dull wines...

OrlandoRobert

JimHow wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:47 pm What? What happened! Are you ok.

Lol, I was a dork!

Fractured my L1 vertebrae and bruised lower left ribs yesterday while engaged in the inherently dangerous extreme sport of fishing!

After I caught this beauty!

OrlandoRobert

I bought a bunch of DDC Rouge in 04-09, and boy do I regret it. Not “bad” wines like a Caymus, but glossy and dull as ditch water and tasting little like the wine I used to love from there… Look, for those of us who feel like the bordelais cracked the code in the 80s, we can try and defend modern b...

OrlandoRobert

OrlandoBob. I do not have major skin in this game, but showing the last 5 years in Bordeaux of a couple of wines to "prove" a point is faulty. 2015-2020 have been very good to great in Bordeaux with global warming showing its presence. Do this for all the classed growths likely show an up...

OrlandoRobert

It seems typical to choose a wine from 3 vintages prior . In that vein I nominate the 2018 Domaine de Chevalier. Clocking in at 96-97 points and still available for under $100. (only 13.5%abv) I like that approach as it keeps the annual list more contemporary, and gives folks a better chance to go ...

OrlandoRobert

Marcus makes good points, but still, on some level, I have to ask myself: why hire Rolland, or someone of his ilk, if you aren’t trying to ramp up the ripeness, the smoothness, the glossiness, the early “drinkability”, the spoof? Especially at a famous estate with a 70-80+ years of success. Certain...

OrlandoRobert

I'm just saying that the desire to "punish" Conseillante for throwing some money Rolland's way seems more like an abstract political vendetta of some sort than responsive to the wine , since we all seem to agree that the 2014 Conseillante is not in fact a "Rolland-ized" wine. Ro...

OrlandoRobert

I'm just saying that the desire to "punish" Conseillante for throwing some money Rolland's way seems more like an abstract political vendetta of some sort than responsive to the wine , since we all seem to agree that the 2014 Conseillante is not in fact a "Rolland-ized" wine. Ro...

OrlandoRobert

Blanquito wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 4:01 am Is Couly-Dutheil still a good winery? Their 89 Clos de l’Olive is a wonderful wine, but I’ve not tried more recent vintages.

I do not buy, more misses than hits for me.

OrlandoRobert

I had the 2014 picasses over the last two nights. Interesting wine, although I think it must be a bit young for me. It really shows well with air, and at closer to room temp. Cellar temp definitely mutes it. Clearly a quality wine, although the jury is out for me on whether it is my cup of tea or n...

OrlandoRobert

Ok, i'll go out of track a little bit. What about the 1996 Ducru Beaucaillou? Some had it here in 2021 and i can't find any negative about it. I had a bottle with JeanFred this years, and thougth it was great, besting the 2005 Haut Bailly, that was also something... The 96 Ducru is exceptional. I’d...

OrlandoRobert

I had the 2014 picasses over the last two nights. Interesting wine, although I think it must be a bit young for me. It really shows well with air, and at closer to room temp. Cellar temp definitely mutes it. Clearly a quality wine, although the jury is out for me on whether it is my cup of tea or n...

OrlandoRobert

I had the 2014 picasses over the last two nights. Interesting wine, although I think it must be a bit young for me. It really shows well with air, and at closer to room temp. Cellar temp definitely mutes it. Clearly a quality wine, although the jury is out for me on whether it is my cup of tea or n...

OrlandoRobert

Comte Flaneur wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:52 pm I have a theory he wrote Queen’s Bohemian Rhapsody - the most over-rated song of all time. Over-wrought, contrived, bombastic, faux muzak.

Yes!!!!

OrlandoRobert

Ok, i'll go out of track a little bit. What about the 1996 Ducru Beaucaillou? Some had it here in 2021 and i can't find any negative about it. I had a bottle with JeanFred this years, and thougth it was great, besting the 2005 Haut Bailly, that was also something... The 96 Ducru is exceptional. I’d...

OrlandoRobert

Dionysus wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:23 pm
jckba wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:12 pm Seems to me in reviewing the list of past BWE WOTY winners, while we have had some Right Bank Saint Emilion winners, we have not had a Pomerol grace the top spot, so will this year prove to be the end to that streak?
2014 VCC?

Definitely has been one of my favorite purchases this past year.

OrlandoRobert

Amazing how Magdelaine performs in so-called off-years! This 2007 is open for business and is so damn enjoyable. Impeccable balance and weight, so food friendly. Really pretty perfume of light Bordeaux funk, sous bois, petrichor and fragrant red fruits. Bramble and spice to the fruits, tobacco leaf,...

OrlandoRobert

robert goulet wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:26 pm
OrlandoRobert wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:31 pm
JimHow wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:33 pm I don’t know whether I can keep my hands off my remaining bottles for three years, let alone 30!
You and I will be dead in 30, Bobby G will be drinking my remaining stash, probably doing naughty things with my wife
Maybe even b4 that

Bastard! I’ll cut you out of the will!!!

OrlandoRobert

JimHow wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:33 pm I don’t know whether I can keep my hands off my remaining bottles for three years, let alone 30!

You and I will be dead in 30, Bobby G will be drinking my remaining stash, probably doing naughty things with my wife

OrlandoRobert

robert goulet wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:00 pm What, what??? Now Jim luvs Olga Raffault?....last year I thought u were going to sell me your stash because it didn't appeal to u! 180 action on display!! Good 2 c u come around to the Darkside

Jim is a lemming, he’s following the Orlando Bobbies!

OrlandoRobert

That’s a very cool, eclectic lineup, Jimbo! I really love your choices, which seem to pair so well with Thanksgiving dinner. I almost always serve Beaujolais and Chinon during this holiday. That 2019 Thivin is quite a treat. The 2014 Olga Raffault is excellent. I rarely buy more than one case of any...

OrlandoRobert

I saved about 1/4 bottle of the 1998 Figeac since I was drinking solo. Gosh is it on fire right now. Reminds me more of the 1990, taking on even more rich dark wet soil tones. This is a magnificent wine. What is the aging potential? I am sitting on three bottles in perfect condition, which I got ch...

OrlandoRobert

I got two cases of the 2015 Canon, OB, at $94 per bottle. I was just checking the wine searcher prices last night, averaging over $300. I've never sold wine from my cellar but I don't know if I'll ever drink those cases. I'll likely hold for at least another couple of blanquitos. Jim you may like t...

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