Bordeaux Wine Enthusiasts

DavidG

Pichon Baron
Haut Bailly
Canon
Figeac
Tour St Christophe (the only one that's a total unknown but cheap enough to take a flyer based on hype)

I'll How a few of them on arrival and hope I live long enough to enjoy them in their prime.

DavidG

A wine that good can turn your world upside-down.

DavidG

You want to blame Parker? No way.

It's Obama's fault.

DavidG

I haven't bought any wine since Thanksgiving. 226 days. No Bordeaux younger than 2012, and those only due to BWE arm twisting. Until today. I'd been resisting and resisting. Then along came Ian's write up, and I could feel myself weakening. Ultimately it was Peggy, though, who encouraged me to take ...

DavidG

Dammit Ian, you are my new Robert Parker.

DavidG

Good deal, Michael. At today's rates I think it might cost you a dime.

DavidG

Claudius, my experience mirrors yours. I bought a case (a lot for me). I have had a couple of bottles that showed well in recent years but nowhere near as powerful as the ones consumed shortly after release. I've still got most of them left and am just sitting on them hoping that they will open up. ...

DavidG

Pavie at $355 here in the US is bad enough. But C$695? That makes no sense even at the current exchange rate.

DavidG

The short version as I understand it is that the producers have taken all the price appreciation that used to be inherent in en primeur purchases for themselves.

DavidG

At the risk of being banned by Jim for listing a right-bank commune first (he pronounce the RB not even Bordeaux!):

Pomerol
Graves
Pauillac. No, St Julien. No, Pauillac. No...

DavidG

Macarthur's just came out with 2016 Clinet at $95/btl. I no longer have WS Pro so can't compare to other offers, but this one is tempting.

DavidG

I heard that even when it's on, it's Notton.

Seriously, though, never heard of it.

DavidG

Damn, I'm tempted to come out of wine buying retirement...

DavidG

I haven't had enough vintages of Mouton to offer a broad experience-based opinion, but I would agree with SFEd that other than the 1982, Mouton lacks the depth and complexity of the other firsts.

DavidG

If I were buying, these would be on my radar. Mostly wines I'm very familiar with except Figeac and Canon, which I've had only a few times. Left Bank Calon Segur Cos Beychevelle Grand Puy Lacoste (in honor of Jim) Haut Brion (if I hit the lottery) Lynch Bages Montrose Right Bank Angelus (price is no...

DavidG

I wouldn't be surprised either Ian, particularly if multiple critics score it as high. Sucking gave Beychevelle "only" 94-95 points. That ought to be considered an excellent score but from Suckling perhaps it's damning with faint praise. I agree W_D, critics' ratings got less useful the mo...

DavidG

Nicklasss wrote:Stop reading that thread David, or you're about to fail.

Nic

Nic, it's the "Deals" thread that is dangerous. If I fold, it's all Arv's fault.

DavidG

tim wrote:Nada. Rien. Nothing. It is exhilarating!

My name is DavidG and I have wine buying disorder. It's been 167 days since I last bought a bottle of wine.

DavidG

Sad to say I agree with every word you've written Ian. Wish you to be proven wrong but I'm not hopeful. Then again, who knows what revelation may be around the corner?

DavidG

Sounds like 2009/2010 all over again. Both excellent years but different in style. The earlier year riper and softer, the later year crisper and more acidic.

DavidG

Frost alone won't kill the vines, just that season's crop if it hits at the wrong time. If it's really really cold long enough it can kill the vines. I don't know how cold for how long but there have been a few brutal winters in past centuries where significant numbers of vines died off.

DavidG

Great report, thanks for posting Ian. What a treat to have Alfred Tesseron join you. I've started drinking my 2000 and 2003 Pontet Canet. Both are showing well. The 2003 was a huge JimHow favorite and was delicious when young. One of the few Bdx he got me to open in its youth. It went dark for me af...

DavidG

My favorite 1988 is Yquem.

For the reds, hard to argue with Haut Brion, Lynch and Lafite. I'd pick Haut Brion by a slim margin.

DavidG

I let my WA subscription lapse a few years ago. I hadn't been using it as a buying guide for some time and mostly kept it for the bulletin board. That became too inactive to make it worth renewing after they drove away or locked out most of the participants. My question was in response to Ian's comm...

DavidG

Have Neal Martin's reviews ever influenced prices? Any evidence that they are now?

DavidG

Wonderful report Tim. Always makes me feel good to read about our BWE brethren celebrating together.

DavidG

It promises to be an excellent year and Cos held their release price steady. Encouraging, but not quite worthy of high praise considering the baseline and how much prices went up last year. It still feels like the owners have taken the financial incentive out of buying futures. Of course only time w...

DavidG

For a "pointless" article on 2016 Bordeaux, check out Neal Martin's Spirit Animals piece.
https://winejournal.robertparker.com/th ... deaux-2016

DavidG

TW = Total Wine

DavidG

I thought he didn't get the formats he ordered from TW, but was offered the wine in 750s instead?

DavidG

Another excellent installment Alex. DdC looks pretty good too if you aren't oak averse and/or believe it will integrate over time.

BTW, fixed the link in your original post.

DavidG

Hope you enjoy them W_D.

I'm DavidG. That's just a quote of Jim's I put in my sig line to tease him. Gee its been almost a year. Guess it's long past fresh...

DavidG

Premoxed white Burgs = fake wine!
#Sad!

The Pavie Mac OTOH, sounds great.

DavidG

Sounds like the ripeness of 2015 is reminiscent of 2009 while the freshness of 2016 is reminiscent of 2010.

DavidG

Drunk at age 7. Supposedly an early drinker, but good chance this was at its most awkward stage. Mine will rest for at least another 3 years, though I am now tempted to open one in the name of science. Or contrariness. I know, I know, you're all experienced tasters and can tell an out of balance win...

DavidG

A little road tar in young Syrah is a good thing in my book. Not so much in Cab. I suppose those are learned responses.

DavidG

If Le Pen wins, even if I were buying Bordeaux futures, wine pricing would not be my first worry. The hype is already building for 2016 being one of the best ever. Even without Parker's influence, I see a good chance that prices will hold or increase over 2015. Are futures still worth it? In recent ...

DavidG

I agree with Jay on the Champagnes. Both young. I preferred the steely acidity and laser focus of the Pommery to the softer sweeter Veuve. The La Chapelle fill was several inches below the cork, but it was still fully alive and kicking. Plenty of fruit, acid and tannin, nice aged complexity. It beca...

DavidG

Alex, I hate it.

When should I come over?

DavidG

W_D, I can't answer your question but in true BWE fashion I'll give you two semi-related suggestions. 1) If you don't already have a subscription to Wine Searcher Pro, give it some serious consideration. It won't tell you about the quality of the wine but will give you a solid handle on whether this...

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