Bordeaux Wine Enthusiasts

JonoB

Prices will undoubtedly be high... very high! Well it is the greatest vintage since sliced bread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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FWIW I went quite long on 08 Bordeaux... I like acid and less alcohol. The wines tend to hold up better and grow old gracefully as oppose to suddenly dropping off a cliff! However, with the price rises of the Mouton and Duhart from 08, I think I will be selling those before the 09s release and keepi...

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It is interesting that the UK critics have generally been very reserved and advise caution; like many it is a good vintage with great wines (only this year it is the usual suspects!) which ultimately leads to..'greatest vintage since the Romans' jargon. From what I have heard, on this side of the po...

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At an Bordeaux 86 horizontal last summer in London, the star wines were the 86 LAfite, 86 Ducru, and 86 Palmer.
And I agree with Alex on the 'only great bottles', because the Mouton and Margaux were good but not great compared to other bottles of the same wine.

J.

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the 1996 Clos du Marquis Huge amount of bottle variation on that wine... of the 7 tried, only two have been any good! As shown up by a vertical of Clos du Marquis that I attended last night. Of which, thoughts can be found on the Wine-Pages board and my notes will follow shortly on here when I get ...

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For me Cos 90 is one of the few 90s that beats its 89 equivalent, and for me although debate may rage, from what I've tasted only LAngoa-B falls into the same category, although Leoville-B 90 is so similar to the 89 its hard to pick which is better... they are probably in equilibrium! Regardless I h...

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I find that from certain Producers like La-C, Trotanoy, VCC, Pomerol can provide great enjoyment every year (in some you need to drink earlier than others). In recent months I have veered towards it more than other appelations, but that is despite the fact that I'm not a fan of Merlot, but from the ...

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Agree with David re. 90 Conseillante... its a stupendous wine when on form, as are most Conseillantes from great vintages (and some not so great).
The 90 is singing right now. I certainly hope you have a few more, it would be a shame if your only/last one was a baddy!

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Can someone let me in on when this happening! One maybe two of interest for this date dependent!!!!

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A few weeks after the 1989 tasting, where I rated Conseillante in the top four, Jono showed the 1985 La Conseillante, and that too is a fantastic wine just hitting its stride and about equal to the 1989. I would love to try the Ducru today, especially based on stefan's latest notes. Maybe we should...

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Of the three 86s I've tried, one has been sublime and two horribly tainted, but in a way that it seemed the cork was not at fault as the TCA just seemed to sit on top of every sip, rather than engulf the wine!

I don't think any of those vintages got off lightly!

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stefan wrote:Thanks, David. Now it is as clear as 2+2=1 (mod 3).

stefan

You've hit the nail right on the head, stefan!

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Merry Christmas and a Happy New YEar, Quite a few wines from me over this festive period, and more to come! 1979 Chateau Trotanoy, 2002 Bollinger GA Rose 1998 Dom Ruinart 1999 Pol Roger NV Georges Vesselle Paraphe 1999 Corton Charlemagne- Louis Latour 2004 Chablis Bougros Fevre 1998 Pontet-Canet 199...

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David, The basis is the Dubai hotel rating system. As stated by Ian at the top! Completely personal, and the same wine may be slated the very next day! The scores are based on the feeling surrounding each individual bottle opened! The is in theory a mazimum of seven stars; however much like Michael ...

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My proper notes. 1983 Dom Perignon; Stewed apples, light and fresh. Chalky, vibrant, vomit, herbs and nuts, citrsu, fresh, zippy, lemon, sherbet, chalk, apple, nutty finish. Lovely and balanced. ****(*+) 1985 Dom Perignon; clean, deep, citrus, chalk, minerals. Tense and poised. Highly concentrated, ...

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The bottle of 78 Petrus that I tried at a shop called the Sampler on Upper Street in London was a very good bottle of 78 Petrus that I thoroughly enjoyed, but this bottle was just otherworldly and was definitely my favourite on the table!!! But this is the risk that is taken with wines of that age o...

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98 Clos del Pi the day after... Big tobacco leaf, round, warm, soy, cedar, stewed cranberry, plum nose; palate that is warm and round, fully resolved, cedar, tobacco, cinnamon, nutmeg spice, really tasty finish... elegant and tasty! Lovely! 05 Connetable the day after... Round, concentrated red frui...

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Alex- it stands for Vieux Telegraphe.
I just copied and posted from another board, but forgot to edit certain bits!

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A group of us went to RSJ (a good little French restaurant in South London near Waterloo station, with a great Loire list) and had some wines and food for somebody's birthday! We were allowed Corkage, and this was probably too our detriment as we had so much wine that we took much home and weren't a...

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I liked the 06 VT a lot... lovely, elegant, but rich and powerful... classic VT with good acid to keep it going! However lovely I find the 07s, they for me are a bit ripe, and I (due to both worry, and voluptuousness want to drink them all up!) because they are both very tasty already, and I worry t...

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Oh... how I love picking holes in great wine!!!

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The Lynch 89 is a most fantastic wine Ian; it is surprisingly youthful as well! Dark and brooding... I haven't yet tried 89 firsts! So I can't compare it to them, which may blur my idea of Lynch there... and I consider La Mish to be a first in all the great vintages! I also think it absolutely destr...

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However amazing the Lynch may be in that vintage... based on style and elegance, its the La Conseillante and I've tasted both the Lynch and LaC with either the wine-maker or owner at various merchant tastings... and for those two however good the 90 is, both much prefer the 89s!

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Christie's seem to have higher estimates, and don't have so many odd bottles and odd vintages, preferring to only take on whole collections unless super rare! Sotheby's seems to be more reasonable; although the Imperials (only slightly larger) were all quite high in price; double the price of double...

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Tried it and thought it very good a few months ago! Very ripe and modern, but tasty! Brunello seems on the whole to be better value on this side of the Pond, more in the Pintia/ALion sort of price range! Argiano is also one of those that was noted in the Brunello-gate as a 'fraud' by the Italian aut...

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Auction estimates at the London houses are relatively low compared with retail prices which are hugely inflated and much higher than over with you guys! Many merchants probably charge a premium for the fact that most of the wines with age are almost definitely ex-Chateau or bought back from sources ...

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Global cheapest other than the $275 is coming up as the lots at Sotheby's which went for a lot less than the quoted estimate!
I wish I had had a spare £5000 lying around, I would have snapped up at least one or two of the cases!

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Alex- I am a vampire :twisted: ... thus I can find those charactaristics! You can probably find the picture on Wine-Pages... Random Tasting Note. The cheapest 89 LaC that I've found Michael was the three cases at Sotheby's London today... estimate at £1700+ , sold for £1450 or thereabouts. The same ...

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Based on what I've tasted even at the lower end, the 06s really do on the whole feel like sleepers, and have more of the character of the individual Chateaux than many 05s! As long as you stay away from the Mouton which however good, will forever be high in the price stakes because of the Parker sco...

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The 95 certainly got better in the glass, and may even be more open sooner than the 86, sometimes I wander if I'm ever going to enjoy the 86s, but then again I couldn't help fall in love with that primordial unloveable beast that is 88 La Lagune! What a brilliant bottle that was! On the Bernard Nico...

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Bordeaux Index of Hatton Gardens, London, UK have been hosting a number of dinner tastings at reasonable prices for customers at the Ledbury in London [a fave of the wine community in London] and much frequented by many wine-lovers! The Clos de Goisses dinner there waqs a joy with Charles Philippona...

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Ian- am about to post my notes... it was wonderful, and I was sat next to Jean-Michel himself, we had quite a good chat... Alex- If I keep my word to Jeremy C, [but this will be with everyone's permission] the still wines won't just be Burgundy! And I agree Anne Gros is a gem... although there have ...

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2007 Chambolle-Musigny; La Combe D'Orveau; Domaine Anne Gros It feels a bit odd that although I love Old Claret, my first TN here should be about a Burgundy, but so be it! Tasted with colleagues at work this afternoon, and quite a good start before my night of La Conseillante supping! Slightly ferr...

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Alex- I fear we will be meeting over some fearful Ribena not to far away!

All- Thanks for the welcome! It is much appreciated!

JonoB

Jim, you won't regret it.

Alion is a really wonderful wine, more rustic than the Valbuena/Unico/Reserva Especial (even from bad vintages these are better), but the Alion has a svelte character that is more appealing than the often bruising although tasty Pintia.

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I liked this wine a lot, it reminded me of the Numanthia. Very rich, concentrated and Parkerized, high alcohol but well-balanced nonetheless. Jim- have you tried 03 or 04 Alion from Vega Sicilia... really is a big step up and usually not that much more expensive. The 05 and 06 Pintia's I find have ...

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Nice note on the 05 Batailley; A chateau I am quite fond of, and perhaps I may have to pick up some of that vintage now... as it seems to be one of the few 05s where the price hasn't skyrocketed! The 85 and 97 that I've tried recently have shown well and been very tasty, although they remind me more...

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Many Thanks, Jim; I do hope my lack of expertise will be of use!

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yep, hands off for several years. I've got several 99 GPLs as well-need to see if that wine has improved but I'm not too hopeful based on some TNs I've read. I was fairly impressed with the 99 GPL, and a very nice 99 Leoville-Poyferré, but not so much with a great number of other 99 BXs that I've t...

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Just a quick note to say hello... some here will know me from wine-pages forum. For those good to see you, and a nice to meet you to those who don't know me! I was alerted to this board by a certain Comte Flaneur! (Hopefully I'm not cramping the style :?: ) And hopefully will be able to meet a lot m...

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