Bordeaux Wine Enthusiasts

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2023 10:08 pm**

I think Ian is dividing them up in accordance with his diabolical scheme to sell six and then drink three for free

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2023 10:09 pm**

marcs wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 10:08 pm I think Ian is dividing them up in accordance with his diabolical scheme to sell six and then drink three for free

Oh, I get it!

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2023 10:19 pm**

But I have to say I question Ian’s prediction of substantial price appreciation for the 2020. Not sure how it is in the UK but in the U.S you can still get the 2016 Montrose for $200 and the 2020 is about $185. They seem like stylistically similar wines and probably similar in terms of quality (the 2016 might even be better), and the 2016 hasn’t zoomed up since release and is only a few bucks more than the newest release.

Of course Bordeaux often take 10-20 years for a sharp delta in price but in general Montrose seems to have enough supply that it doesn’t increase too much. Still remember getting the 2000 for $170 two years ago. The 2009-2010, especially the 2009, are a bit of a recent exception I guess

Posted: **Tue Feb 14, 2023 12:14 am**

What does the 2010 Montrose go for these days?

Posted: **Tue Feb 14, 2023 12:48 am**

JimHow wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 12:14 am What does the 2010 Montrose go for these days?

About 250-270

Second most expensive Montrose of the last 30 years after the 2009 ($300+). Of course the 89-90 are extremely expensive

Posted: **Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:17 am**

Scored these last week...

2001 L.Poyferre
2001 Conseillante
2003 Calon Segur

Posted: **Wed Feb 15, 2023 3:50 pm**

Guys
I just gotta stop bidding at auctions as I end up with more wines that I really don’t need.
Oh well.
Last auction was Sunday, and I bought:

2016 Beausejour DL St Emilion (6 OWC)
2015 Castagnier Clos de La Roche (6)
2014 Faiveley NSG 1er Cru Porets St Georges (12)
2020 Rapet Corton (6 OWC)
2019 Lignier Gevrey Chambertin 1er Cru (12)
2019 Philippe Livera GC En Champs (12) Never heard of them but I was the only bidder. Cheapish so I bit.

I have not bought any Faiveley wines for many years so I hope that they meet expectations.
I bought tonnes of them in the 1990s (1985-90 vintages) but the style seems to have changed.

Last year I expanded my storage facility by upgrading one hold to a much bigger space. With these wines, plus the Christmas special offers I bought (Bordeaux, Burgundy, Spain etc) I will have no more space and the two wine fridges are overloaded. I know, first world problem at a time of war in Ukraine, conflict in many nations, earthquake disasters in Turkey/Syria and New Zealand and cyclones and storms wrecking numerous regions, I can only be thankful I’m in a tiny country which is stable and prosperous.

Posted: **Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:03 pm**

Claudius2 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 3:50 pm New Zealand and cyclones and storms wrecking numerous regions, I can only be thankful I’m in a tiny country which is stable and prosperous.

It's been a crazy month & summer. Flash floodings followed by a cyclone that have both wreaked havoc.

2 x Leoville-Las Cases Le Petit Lion du Marquis de Las Cases 2016
2 x Lynch Bages 2020

Posted: **Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:59 pm**

3 bottles of Drouhin Chambolle Amoureuses.

Posted: **Wed Feb 15, 2023 9:42 pm**

1 x Calon Segur 2014
3 x GPL 2016
3 x Montrose 2019
2 x Leoville Barton 2019
1 x Rauzan Selga 2019
1 x Leoville Poyferre 2019
1 x VCC 2020

Posted: **Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:32 pm**

Musigny 151 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:59 pm 3 bottles of Drouhin Chambolle Amoureuses.

Woohoo
Vintage? Price? If you don't me asking

Posted: **Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:56 pm**

Claudius2 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 3:50 pm Guys
I just gotta stop bidding at auctions as I end up with more wines that I really don’t need.
Oh well.
Last auction was Sunday, and I bought:

2016 Beausejour DL St Emilion (6 OWC)
2015 Castagnier Clos de La Roche (6)
2014 Faiveley NSG 1er Cru Porets St Georges (12)
2020 Rapet Corton (6 OWC)
2019 Lignier Gevrey Chambertin 1er Cru (12)
2019 Philippe Livera GC En Champs (12) Never heard of them but I was the only bidder. Cheapish so I bit.

I have not bought any Faiveley wines for many years so I hope that they meet expectations.
I bought tonnes of them in the 1990s (1985-90 vintages) but the style seems to have changed.

Last year I expanded my storage facility by upgrading one hold to a much bigger space. With these wines, plus the Christmas special offers I bought (Bordeaux, Burgundy, Spain etc) I will have no more space and the two wine fridges are overloaded. I know, first world problem at a time of war in Ukraine, conflict in many nations, earthquake disasters in Turkey/Syria and New Zealand and cyclones and storms wrecking numerous regions, I can only be thankful I’m in a tiny country which is stable and prosperous.

Mark - Philippe Livera is a trad producer in Gevrey - I liked his wines v much - from the 2012 vintage - but you rarely seem them around

Posted: **Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:11 pm**

jal wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:32 pm
Musigny 151 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:59 pm 3 bottles of Drouhin Chambolle Amoureuses.
Woohoo
Vintage? Price? If you don't me asking

Sorry, 2020. £495 .

Posted: **Thu Feb 16, 2023 12:27 am**

Mark, do you consider Drouhin Chambolle Amoureuses better than Drouhin Bonnes-Mares?

Posted: **Thu Feb 16, 2023 1:26 am**

Ianjaig wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:03 pm It's been a crazy month & summer. Flash floodings followed by a cyclone that have both wreaked havoc.

Hope everyone is safe by you Ian.

Posted: **Thu Feb 16, 2023 1:29 am**

Dionysus wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 9:42 pm 1 x Calon Segur 2014
3 x GPL 2016
3 x Montrose 2019
2 x Leoville Barton 2019
1 x Rauzan Selga 2019
1 x Leoville Poyferre 2019
1 x VCC 2020

Very nice!

Posted: **Thu Feb 16, 2023 1:47 am**

Nothing earth shattering but happened upon some 2019 Ch Pontet Canet at Costco today. I haven't really been a big fan since last buying the 2005 vintage but for $90/btl I felt compelled to pick up a couple.

Posted: **Thu Feb 16, 2023 2:06 am**

jal wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 1:26 am
Ianjaig wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:03 pm It's been a crazy month & summer. Flash floodings followed by a cyclone that have both wreaked havoc.
Hope everyone is safe by you Ian.

Yes, we're all good thanks Jacques - though we do have friends that lost their house. Crazy times.

Posted: **Thu Feb 16, 2023 2:43 am**

stefan wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 12:27 am Mark, do you consider Drouhin Chambolle Amoureuses better than Drouhin Bonnes-Mares?

Yes. Not always the case, but Drouhin’s Amoureuses is particularly good.

Posted: **Thu Feb 16, 2023 12:49 pm**

Ianjaig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 2:06 am
jal wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 1:26 am
Ianjaig wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:03 pm It's been a crazy month & summer. Flash floodings followed by a cyclone that have both wreaked havoc.
Hope everyone is safe by you Ian.
Yes, we're all good thanks Jacques - though we do have friends that lost their house. Crazy times.

That's awful, after the last hurricanes in Florida, we had a big scare and friends of ours have sustained tens of thousands of $$ of damage. The ridiculous cold weather in the Northeast of the US two weeks ago that Jim talked about. These "one in hundred years" events seem to be more and more frequent nowadays.

Posted: **Thu Feb 16, 2023 1:34 pm**

Gerry M. wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 1:47 am Nothing earth shattering but happened upon some 2019 Ch Pontet Canet at Costco today. I haven't really been a big fan since last buying the 2005 vintage but for $90/btl I felt compelled to pick up a couple.

Gerry
Seriously load up the truck at that price - the wine is really nice. Wish I could get it at that price.

Ianjaig
The adverse events across the world are seriously scary.
We’ve been bombarded with endless storms here and back in my old country (Australia) there are floods and storms all over the place though worst in Victoria. Next we will have more destructive bushfires there.

Hope you are okay and that NZ recovers fast. I sell recall the Southern Island earthquakes several years ago. It led to rugby being cancelled so it must have been bad….

Australia isn’t on a fault line though there were serious earthquakes in the Newcastle area some years ago.

Ian (Comte Flaneur)
Never heard of Livera - the stock comes from Amsterdam and the auctioneers recommended them.
Your comment does encourage me as I had no idea what to expect.

Posted: **Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:53 am**

Received great Côte Rôtie today! So great, they don’t fall! Defying gravity!

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:01 am**

2 x 2019 Montrose
2 x 2019 Pichon Baron
1 x 2019 Pontet-Canet

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:33 pm**

Clicking while dreaming about being in Ft. Lauderdale:
1 1966 Giscours 150
2 1995 Lanessan @ 40
2 1995 Leoville-Barton @ 170
3 2001 Barde Haut @ 50
1 2001 Gruaud-Larose 120
1 2014 Clos Fourtet 110
3 2016 Haut-Bailly @ 140

Posted: **Tue Feb 21, 2023 4:59 am**

Been a very random few weeks:
1934 Henriques Madeira Verdelho x 8
1946 Massandra Tokai
1977 Warre’s
1977 Quintarelli Recioto
2013 and 2014 La Landonne Guigal
2005 Lafarge Volnay
2010 Clos de Lambrays
1996 JP Mugneret Echezeaux
1995 Pierre Bitouzet Corton Marechaudes
1992-3 Heitz Martha’s
2014 Leoville Barton x3

Posted: **Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:23 am**

NoahR wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 4:59 am Been a very random few weeks:
1934 Henriques Madeira Verdelho x 8

I just nabbed one of these myself recently after having a great experience with some 80's verdelho. Have you had this before? I think it's the oldest wine I've ever bought.

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 6:23 pm**

Cellar defenders

Fattori Danieli Soave 2021 × 3 $15.00
Chidaine Touraine Rouge 2021 × 3 $15.00

Total with tax $97

Total for the year $765.05

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 7:18 pm**

For the year to date, I'm at 27 reds and 17 whites.

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 7:29 pm**

Picked up 9 btls of the 2019 Ghislaine Barthod Les Bons Batons Bourgogne Rouge, 3 from Bottle King @ $47.99 + tax and 6 from Convive @ $50 + tax.

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2023 8:09 pm**

6x 2015 Le Baron de Brane
6x 2015 Blason d'Issan
With free shipping - my first purchase from B-21.

Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2023 2:14 am**

Racer Chris wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 8:09 pm 6x 2015 Le Baron de Brane
6x 2015 Blason d'Issan
With free shipping - my first purchase from B-21.

Nice pick Racer.

I had the 2015 Baron de Brane twice and think it is just a fabulous second wine.

Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2023 10:40 am**

Dönnhoff Hermannshöhle 2021 GG
Dönnhoff Felsenberg 2021 GG
Dönnhoff Schlossböckelheimer 2021
Dönnhoff Niederhäuser Klamm 2021
Dönnhoff Oberhäuser Leistenberg 2021

Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2023 9:30 pm**

3 1986 Doisy-Dubroca @ 49
2 2009 Cristal @ 229
1 2011 Belle Epoque @ 141
2 Berthelemot Chassagne Morgeot @ 60
2 1996 Ducru Beaucaillou @ 220

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2023 5:03 pm**

Not really a purchase, but I just swapped 3 bottles of a very overdue prearrival order, 2019 Marc Colin St-Aubin La Chatenière, for:
4 x 2014 Roederer Brut Champagne
2 x 2020 Louis Michel Chablis Vaulorent

They gave me double credit for the screw up on the prearrivals, and praise for the Roederer (95 William Kelly, 94 pts John Gilman) and the Vaulorent (94 pts WK) won me over. Much happier with these 6 bottles in lieu of those original 3. Not bad!

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2023 5:20 pm**

Looks like a very good trade, Patrick!

I remember making some good trades with PC for bottles that didn't arrive. 'Course most of the replacements also never arrived. ;(

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2023 5:41 pm**

stefan wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 5:20 pm Looks like a very good trade, Patrick!

I remember making some good trades with PC for bottles that didn't arrive. 'Course most of the replacements also never arrived. ;(

That's exactly what this reminded me of too, except these replacement bottles are shipping next week! (and I got all of my replacements at PC as I only took in-stock stuff given the going-out-of-business fire-sale energy around PC at that time).

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2023 10:51 pm**

4 x 2014 Bollinger Grande Annee ($130 at local Costco, so easy, just walk to check out and take home, no need to schedule shipping, pick up a box, spend 2-3 weeks looking for a good window of shipping weather, etc).

And who doesn’t like Bollinger tete du cuvee? It’s good enough for 007 afterall.

Posted: **Sat Feb 25, 2023 5:51 pm**

I was at Total Wine picking up my EP 2020 Lilian Ladouys, and they're having a 15% off sale so I took the opportunity to buy

2 2012 Château Montrose @ $85
1 2019 Château Brane-Cantenac @ $72
1 2019 Monfort-Bellevue @ $15
4 2019 Château Pierre de Montignac @ $20

Now that I have 5 of the 2012 Montrose, I think I'll open one soon.

Posted: **Sat Feb 25, 2023 6:17 pm**

1995 Gazin
2014 Vilmart Couer de Cuvee
N.V. Vilmart Grand Cellier
N.V. Henriot BdB

Posted: **Mon Feb 27, 2023 12:30 pm**

3 bottles of 2020 Volnay 1er cru Brouillards from Bernard and Thierry Glantenay.

Any Bourgogne lover should try a wine of that estate minimum once.

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