Questions about 2019 and 2020 Burgundy

[JimHow]

My lack of interest in the 2017 and 2018 Bordeaux vintages has allowed me to cut back on my wine purchases this past year. (From what I've seen of 2019, I'm beginning to think my purchases there will be very limited. Heck, that's if the vintage ever makes its way over here to this side of the pond.). One of my goals is to get some Burgundy into my cellar. Obviously prices have gotten pretty insane. JC, Jal, and others, do you have any buying advice? I put together this list from the current MacArthur's inventory but they seem pretty expensive, I doubt I'll pull the trigger. I remember getting some of these bottles from the 2005 vintage for like $35. Then again, it doesn't seem like there are a lot of options out there these days. Loved the white 2018 Niellon Chassange-Montrachet at Thanksgiving dinner yesterday but that seems pricey at $69. What is the scoop on the quality and character of the 2019 and 2020 Burgundy vintages? Zachys used to have Burgundy sales, are those a phenomenon of the past? I'm resigned to the fact that if I'm hoping to put more Bourgogne in my cellar it is just going to be an expensive proposition.

2019 Alain Hudelot-Noellat - Nuits St. Georges Murgers Price $159.00
2019 Bouchard Pere & Fils - Pommard Rugiens Price $99.99
2019 Bouchard Pere & Fils - Volnay Clos des Chenes Price $99.99
2019 Domaine de Montille - Beaune Perrieres Price $89.99
2019 Domaine de Montille - Nuits St. Georges aux Thorey Price $109.00
2019 Domaine de Montille - Volnay Mitans Price $149.00
2019 Domaine Pavelot - Savigny les Beaune Gravains Price $54.99
2019 Domaine Pavelot - Savigny les Beaune Dominode Price $59.99
2019 Domaine Pavelot - Savigny les Beaune Lavieres Price $49.99
2019 Henri Boillot - Volnay Fremiets Price $129.00
2019 Jean Grivot Vosne Romanee Price $119.00
2019 Jean Grivot - Chambolle Musigny Combe d'Orveau Price $169.00
2019 Louis Jadot Beaune Couchereaux Price $89.99
2019 Olivier Leflaive - Pernand Vergelesses Fichot Price $44.99
2019 Robert Chevillon - Nuits St. Georges Cailles Price $199.00
2019 Robert Chevillon - Nuits St. Georges Perrieres Price $139.00
2019 Robert Chevillon - Nuits St. Georges Vaucrains Price $199.00
2019 Sylvain Pataille - Marsannay Clemengeots Price $49.99
2019 Vincent Girardin - Volnay Santenots Price $89.99

[jckba]

Take a look at Posner’s (of Grapes the Wine Company) burgundy inventory as he is doing a 30% off Burgundy Black Friday sale on a case purchase or more and I think you’ll likely fare better there today.

[JimHow]

thx

[jckba]

If you need a couple of extra bottles, take a look at the 2020 PVG Meursault’s in the Narvaux and Tillets as will be priced lowest in the country after case discount.

[JimHow]

not sure what PVG means. I'm assuming that's Pierre Girardin.

[JimHow]

Remember. Even after 22 years. I am a 2 year old when it comes to Burgundy.
I am... a Bordeaux Wine Enthusiast.

[jckba]

not sure what PVG means. I'm assuming that's Pierre Girardin.

Correct and just give them a little time to settle unless you like high acid face rippers.

[jal]

I would go for any or all of the Pavelot SlB
Higher end, de Montille is excellent but needs more time.
I am not buying. I have too much wine.

[JimHow]

I followed your advice, Jacques, I bought one bottle of each of the following, just to get some 2019 Burgundy in my cellar.
I really loved that basic 2018 Domaine Leroy Niellon Chassange Montrachet with the turkey the other day, it was a crowd favorite.
I have eight more bottles but I'd like to get more from 2019 and I understand 2020 is supposed to be good for white Burgundy?
Where...is...Father...Damien. Must...be...strong....

2019 Domaine de Montille - Beaune Perrieres
SKU: 90134 $89.99 1 $89.99
2019 Domaine de Montille - Nuits St. Georges aux Thorey
SKU: 90135 $109.00 1 $109.00
2019 Domaine de Montille - Volnay Mitans
SKU: 90146 $149.00 1 $149.00
2019 Domaine Pavelot - Savigny les Beaune Gravains
SKU: 86783 $54.99 1 $54.99
2019 Domaine Pavelot - Savigny les Beaune Lavieres
SKU: 85591 $49.99 1 $49.99
2019 Domaine Pavelot - Savigny les Beaune Dominode
SKU: 85590 $59.99 1 $59.99

[JimHow]

This is the first Montille I have ever purchased, I swore I would never buy any after the way I saw the son was mean to his father in that movie.
But then I saw another scene where he and his wife were very affectionate to him, so he won me over....

[jal]

Pavelot and Guillemot are my favorite Savigny les Beaune. Good purchase.
De Montille will need a lot of time

[JimHow]

Man I drank a 2005 Jadot Clos Vougeot the other day, it showed like zero sign of aging. Ah well I’ll hold them for my 80th birthday.

[jal]

2005 in Burgundy is taking so long, I gave up a while ago.

[Blanquito]

I haven’t the faintest idea when to try red burgundy. For instance, I bought a few of the 2012 Pierre Bouree Charmes-Chambertin last year mostly on the strength of Gilman’s enthusiastic report. When can I start enjoying these? It’s now 10 years old but so many wines need much more time that that.

[stefan]

I'm guessing that the Charmes-Chambertin should be blanquitoed, Blanquito. We drank a 2012 Lafon Beaune Premier Cru tonight (I forgot which one). While a good wine, I think it should be stored longer.

[marcs]

Burgundy aging seems non linear, so wines can go in and out of being “ready” instead of passing a definitive aging line and being ready for good

But 2012 is a particularly tricky year, going to take a while to come around…

[Blanquito]

Thanks, chaps. I’ll definitely leave my 2012s alone for a while.

I enjoyed a 99 Chevillon Chaigots a few days ago, which was excellent and open, but still mostly primary.

[Antoine]

2005, 2018 ae vintages to wait for a very long time. 2019-2020 may come around a bit sooner... Plenty of other vintages that won't need decades.

[Claudius2]

Burgundy aging seems non linear, so wines can go in and out of being “ready” instead of passing a definitive aging line and being ready for good

But 2012 is a particularly tricky year, going to take a while to come around…

I’ve been drinking village and lesser 1er Cru 2012 Burgundies over the last year or two and they are now quite nice to drink. I’d leave the best wines of course but I tend to like Burgundy with rich fruit in any case. I’m also drinking 05, 06, 08, 08 and 10 and occasionally 2014 - though only the lesser wines in that vintage.

I have bought 2019 burgs but not many 2017, 18 and so far, 2014. However I get endless offers for 2920 and now 2021 and the prices are depressing. Seriously some are making even first growth Bordeaux look cheap do I suppose I’m glad I’ve hoarded quite a few.

Cheers
Mark

[jal]

I haven’t the faintest idea when to try red burgundy. For instance, I bought a few of the 2012 Pierre Bouree Charmes-Chambertin last year mostly on the strength of Gilman’s enthusiastic report. When can I start enjoying these? It’s now 10 years old but so many wines need much more time that that.

For me the biggest question mark is not the year or the classification but the name Pierre Bouree. It is very inconsistent, both in price and quality. For instance Acker in NYC has a few bottles of the 2013 Chambertin for $100 but also some of your 2012 Charmes for $200. Gilman rates both highly so wtf is going on there? A GC for half the price of a 1er? (Or a 1er for twice the price of a GC)
No notes on Cellar tracker or from any other critics. I don't know, any known producer and we could stand a chance in having a drinking window. Guess we'll have to wait till someone opens a bottle and reports

[Blanquito]

Thanks, gents. That is odd, Jal. Given my inclinations, I’ll play it safe, live up to my name, and give these another 5(+) years.

FWIW, here’s Gilman’s note:
The 2012 Charmes-Chambertin from the Vallets had already been bottled, but it was very much on form and showed great potential. These ninety year-old vines have produced a stellar wine in 2012, offering up a deep and very pure bouquet of red and black cherries, coffee, grilled meats, a superbly complex base of soil tones, just a touch of mustard seed and a discreet base of vanillin oak. On the palate the wine is deep, full-bodied, pure and nascently complex, with a sappy core of fruit, fine-grained tannins, outstanding focus and grip and a very long, refined and perfectly balanced finish. 94+ (3/2014)

[jal]

Thanks Patrick
I bought one bottle of the Chambertin. I may open it sooner rather than later