Two white Burgs we had over Thanksgiving were oxidized
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Two white Burgs we had over Thanksgiving were oxidized
We had a 2005 Ramonet Chassange Montrachet Les Caillerets and a 2005 Jadot Puligny Montrachet over the Thanksgiving holiday.
The Ramonet tasted like nothing: Nothing on either the nose or palate. The Jadot tasted yucky, definitely damaged goods.
The 2007 Dauvissat Vaillons, for that matter, did not offer up what I had tasted from the other four bottles I've had in the past year.
I was going to buy some 2008 Fevre Les Clos and 2008 Dauvissat La Forest but now I think I'm going to pass.
The Ramonet tasted like nothing: Nothing on either the nose or palate. The Jadot tasted yucky, definitely damaged goods.
The 2007 Dauvissat Vaillons, for that matter, did not offer up what I had tasted from the other four bottles I've had in the past year.
I was going to buy some 2008 Fevre Les Clos and 2008 Dauvissat La Forest but now I think I'm going to pass.
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It seems no white Burg is too young to be oxidized.
The last vintage I bought on release was 2002, and most of them are shot, painfully including a Coche-Dury Meursault Perrieres last week. The Corton Charlemagne was fine, but too young.
I have had better luck with Fevre, though, back to vintage 2000.
I learned to love champagne and my wounds are slowly healing.
The last vintage I bought on release was 2002, and most of them are shot, painfully including a Coche-Dury Meursault Perrieres last week. The Corton Charlemagne was fine, but too young.
I have had better luck with Fevre, though, back to vintage 2000.
I learned to love champagne and my wounds are slowly healing.
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"... and most of them are shot, painfully including a Coche-Dury Meursault Perrieres last week".
OUCH!!!
And, curiously enough, these shameful problems havent's stifled demand, or lowered prices....
Alex
OUCH!!!
And, curiously enough, these shameful problems havent's stifled demand, or lowered prices....
Alex
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The cure is simple, stop buying them altogether. That is my stategy.
Glenn
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that stinks, most of the white Burgs that I had were in decent shape.
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One of the signs for me that there is something wrong when a white Burg is off is that there is a half bottle left, as was the case with these wines.
When these wines are on, the bottles empty out pretty quickly.
When these wines are on, the bottles empty out pretty quickly.
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The Raveneau we had was very nice.
But the Rieslings where singing.
Why do Rieslings seem to age effotlessly while the white Burgs are troublesome?
But the Rieslings where singing.
Why do Rieslings seem to age effotlessly while the white Burgs are troublesome?
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Re: Two white Burgs we had over Thanksgiving were oxidized
Really, you can have those German wines seeping down the side of the bottle with their puny corks and the wines taste as fresh as ever.
Re: Two white Burgs we had over Thanksgiving were oxidized
The residual sugar in German riesling prevents oxidation, at least that's part of it. Same with Sauternes, that stuff can sit open for weeks in the fridge and never oxidize.
I just had a 2004 Fevre Chablis Vaillons that was oxidized, by the by. I'm done experimenting with white burg, a real shame given the heights it can attain.
I just had a 2004 Fevre Chablis Vaillons that was oxidized, by the by. I'm done experimenting with white burg, a real shame given the heights it can attain.
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I had a nice 06 Jadot Dme. Duc du Magenta Clos de la Garenne last night to kick off a dinner with another couple last night. It was nicely fresh. It went down too fast for true scientific analysis but it had some nice constituent parts, a nice green-gold hue, a minerally streak and also a slightly oily quality with a touch of oak butter too. I will drink these faster than they might integrate but that's OK.
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Re: Two white Burgs we had over Thanksgiving were oxidized
am I wrong, or does Chablis generally seem to avoid the oxidation issue?
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Too bad about the oxidized Burgs. Jim, you see now that it is not a fiction. Buying white Burgundy entails taking a big risk.
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Jay, Chablis has not avoided the premature oxidation issue.
I have had bad luck with Ramonet, Boillot, Carillon, Bonneau du Martray and Jadot. I only buy Leflaive and Pernot in Puligny, Niellon in Chassagne and drink them early. Check the wiki to find out which producers to avoid http://oxidised-burgs.wikispaces.com. Personally, I would never buy Ramonet and Bonneau du Martray again.
I have had bad luck with Ramonet, Boillot, Carillon, Bonneau du Martray and Jadot. I only buy Leflaive and Pernot in Puligny, Niellon in Chassagne and drink them early. Check the wiki to find out which producers to avoid http://oxidised-burgs.wikispaces.com. Personally, I would never buy Ramonet and Bonneau du Martray again.
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uh ohjal wrote:Jay, Chablis has not avoided the premature oxidation issue.
I have had bad luck with Ramonet, Boillot, Carillon, Bonneau du Martray and Jadot. I only buy Leflaive and Pernot in Puligny, Niellon in Chassagne and drink them early. Check the wiki to find out which producers to avoid http://oxidised-burgs.wikispaces.com. Personally, I would never buy Ramonet and Bonneau du Martray again.
Re: Two white Burgs we had over Thanksgiving were oxidized
Totally agree with Stuart. I still buy a few, but mostly I go to Champagne for Chardonnay. I have had way too many oxidyzed white Burgs.
SF Ed
SF Ed
Re: Two white Burgs we had over Thanksgiving were oxidized
Buying white Graves is similarly risky, it seems. I just poured down the drain the second bottle of '99 Laville Haut-Brion from the six pack I purchased on release.
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Guys
I have started importing Remoissenets into SIngapore.
I have never had one that is oxidised. And I've drunk pallet loads of them. I love the stuff.
A great producer who has avoided the expensive plague.
I have started importing Remoissenets into SIngapore.
I have never had one that is oxidised. And I've drunk pallet loads of them. I love the stuff.
A great producer who has avoided the expensive plague.
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