If the Patriots and Jets were Bordeaux wines....

JimHow · Post by **JimHow** » Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:00 pm

What do you think:

Patriots: Mouton? Latour?

Jets: Lanessan? Beychevelle? Talbot, maybe?

jal · Post by **jal** » Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:43 pm

Yeah, right. I don't think so.

Patriots
Them micro-oxygenators and cheaters: le Gay, Giscours

Jets
Classy, seamless, irreverent: d'Yquem, Cheval Blanc,

Houndsong · Post by **Houndsong** » Wed Dec 01, 2010 2:54 pm

Pats = Uggs
Jets = Timberland

stefan · Post by **stefan** » Wed Dec 01, 2010 5:06 pm

Jets: Boone's Farm Strawberry.

Patriots: Altar wine for devil worshippers.

My team is the...

Cowboys: Any vinegar that is corked and premoxed.

William P · Post by **William P** » Wed Dec 01, 2010 5:17 pm

Jets - let's try to buy respect and the super bowl this year - Monbousquet

Patriots - We were once great, we have slipped a bit, but we are still pretty good - Pichon Lalande.

And to be fair:

49ers - Once great, ??? management, inconsistent product, there's always next year.

Marquis d’Alesme-Becker

dstgolf · Post by **dstgolf** » Wed Dec 01, 2010 5:42 pm

Don't know much about American football but some of you guys are good. I love some of the analogies. Very clever.

Danny

Jay Winton · Post by **Jay Winton** » Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:00 pm

Redskins-Once a 1st but dropped sharply since it was sold several years ago, however, finally, a respected management team has been installed and there is hope of a return to the glory days. At this stage, can't be considered even a 5th growth.

Nicklasss · Post by **Nicklasss** » Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:12 pm

Jal, Jimhow did not told us his real thinking. If I correct, he means :

Patriots: 1984 Mouton? 1987 Latour?

Jets: 1986 Beychevelle? 1986 Talbot?

My team is the Minnesota Vickings. So which Bordeaux Chateau has the oldest vines...

Nic

JimHow · Post by **JimHow** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:23 am

The Jets, led by Mark Sanchez and Ladanian "L.T." <rolls eyes> Tomlinson, are a "feminine" wine.

The Patriots, led by Tom Brady, are a "masculine", or, at the very least, a "metro-sexual" wine.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 1:08 am

The Jets -- always almost there, but something not quite right. Great expectations then . . .. The pedigree suggests greatness, but then something . . . Sounds like Carruades de Lafite to me

http://gofins0769.multiply.com/video/it ... e_vs._Jets

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FH5tzyY2Z4

JimHow · Post by **JimHow** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 1:17 am

Well done, Bacchus, although that sounds a little more like a post-1996 Gruaud Larose....

Really, though, how could any Rex Ryan team be anything other than a hot, flabbly, overly-alcoholic right-banker, all big fruit and big talk up front with no structure and backbone to back it up? A Monbousquet, maybe, or a Pahlmeyer-like Pavie Decesse?

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 1:24 am

Well that works too, Jim. Very funny.

RDD · Post by **RDD** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 1:26 pm

Carolina Panthers = warm cheap beer.

At least I've got good tickets to watch the VT Hokies play FSU for ACC Championship.
Should be a fun Saturday evening.
GO HOKIES!

And to Jay:
Thanks to the Terps for destroying NC State chances or I would have spent Saturday evening with my neighbor. HAHAHA

alchemeus · Post by **alchemeus** » Fri Dec 03, 2010 11:27 pm

JimHow wrote:The Jets, led by Mark Sanchez and Ladanian "L.T." <rolls eyes> Tomlinson, are a "feminine" wine.

The Patriots, led by Tom Brady, are a "masculine", or, at the very least, a "metro-sexual" wine.

Jim, Jim, Jim. Is the Winter already getting into your brain?

"Metro-sexual" is a synonym for "feminine".

Patriots: Latour. Based on the coach. "F" you you SOB. We win.

Jets: Margaux. We won the Superbowl once. We've built back up from the basics. We'll win again.

JimHow · Post by **JimHow** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:30 am

It's Tom Brady and his Uggs

vs.

Rex Ryan and his wig....

Let's get it on!

The Patriots cannot win the Super Bowl this year if they do not win this game tonight....

Harry C. · Post by **Harry C.** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:39 am

The Eagles. Been good for a while, always trying to be top tier but never quite getting there. Leoville Las Cases

JCNorthway · Post by **JCNorthway** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 4:01 am

Jets are looking like a tired bottle of Bordeaux.

Chasse-Spleen · Post by **Chasse-Spleen** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 5:00 am

I guess it's Patriots = Petrus, Jets = Camensac?

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 10:50 am

Looks like the Jets turned out to be a bottle of Hearty Burgundy. Despite costing a lot, it's not for real!!!

jal · Post by **jal** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:41 pm

If a Cheval Blanc bottle (the Jets) is corked on the night it is being tasted next to Pavie (the Patriots), it doesn't mean it's a worse wine overall.

JimHow · Post by **JimHow** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 2:12 pm

Yes... And the Jets are going to win the Super Bowl.... <rolls eyes>

JEP_62 · Post by **JEP_62** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 2:42 pm

jal wrote:If a Cheval Blanc bottle (the Jets) is corked on the night it is being tasted next to Pavie (the Patriots), it doesn't mean it's a worse wine overall.

But if Cheval Blanc consistently under-performs against the best, shouldn't it be down graded?

Let's look at who the Jets have lost to this season - Baltimore, GB and Pats. I think the only team the Jets have beat that is currently playing over .500 ball is the Pats in the second week of the season. What they've done is barely squeak out wins against the mediocrity of the league. 30-27 over Houston, 24-20 over Denver, 23-20 over Detroit.

Sorry, but I just don't see the Jets being able to play with the big boys yet. Who knows, maybe once Sanchez gets some more experience but he just throws too many picks in very critical situations.

One more thing, why does everyone keep talking about the Jets' defense. Do they lead the league in any of the defensive stats? I think the Steelers have a much better defense and if the Pats defense can shake Sanchez up like that, the Steelers' defense may just dismantle him.

jal · Post by **jal** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 2:59 pm

The Jets can only win against their opposition, it's not their fault the opposition was poor.
They lost to Baltimore by one point in the season opener, ok.
They lost 9-0 to Green Bay when they amassed more than 350 yards of offense.
The loss to the Patriots, ok, no excuses, but it happens.
They have four more games, home to Miami and Buffalo, away to the Steelers and the Bears. if they go 2-2 they will make the playoffs with a 11-5 record. I'm sure they would have taken that at the start of the season.
We will see then how good they are.

JEP_62 · Post by **JEP_62** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 3:30 pm

True, they can only play the teams they are scheduled to play, but I just don't remember them really dominating against the mid teir teams, they still give up a lot of points against some of the weak teams and they lose to the top teams.

I think they definitely make the play offs, which is a big improvement, I'm just not sure they're ready for the super bowl yet. Give Sanchez anyother year and keep building the team around him and things could get exciting in the AFC east.

But who knows, any given Sunday........

JCNorthway · Post by **JCNorthway** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 4:03 pm

Well, there will be an additional common point of comparison for these two teams. They both play the Bears in the coming weeks. I'm predicting the Bears will have two more losses after those games.

JEP_62 · Post by **JEP_62** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 8:14 pm

I don't know. The Bears' defense against the run is pretty strong, but that doesn't match up against the Pats very well since they're more about the pass and their running game is really just to keep the defenses honest.

I think the Jets use the running game more and they could have a tough time against the Bears. Sanchez also likes to throw interceptions and I think the Bears are pretty good at picking off passes.

The Bears having home field advantage for both games doesn't hurt either. My prediction is that the Pats beat the Bears. The Jets/Bears, is a coin toss. It depends if the Bears can get to Sanchez early in the game and shake him up a little.

alchemeus · Post by **alchemeus** » Wed Dec 08, 2010 3:30 am

Damn! Tom Brady and his ogres kicked the Shirt off Sanchez and his Jets.

They'll most likely be in the Super Bowl.

BTW, I found some SPAM or something tops that were the NFL back in the 1960's. No AFL teams, just NFL originals. Odd you could go for 9 and 1 and be the top team.

I have no problem with owners moving the team, I *DO* have a problem with them keeping the name. Like the Charlotte Hornets moving to NO or the Jazz moving to Utah. Charlotte Hornets because of the Revolutionary War and the Battle of Kings Mountain whereby the rebels attacking were "like a hive of hornets". Does anyone equate Utah with Jazz?

'Nuff said.

DavidG · Post by **DavidG** » Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:02 am

Or the BALTIMORE Colts. Horse country in Indiana?

Or the Dodgers, Giants, Lakers, etc.

jal · Post by **jal** » Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:56 pm

I understand the Jets can clinch a playoff spot this weekend

If they beat the Dolphins
and
The Chargers lose to the Chiefs
and
Jaguars lose to Raiders or Colts lose to Titans

Just saying...

JimHow · Post by **JimHow** » Wed Dec 08, 2010 11:14 pm

Whoever made the schedule this year was on drugs. The Patriots have had to play the Steelers, Chargers, Jets twice, Colts, Bears, Packers, Vikings, Ravens, not to mention the tough Miami and Buffalo twice. The Jets have beaten one team with a winning record all year and are thus only one game behind the Patriots.

jal · Post by **jal** » Wed Dec 08, 2010 11:46 pm

JimHow wrote:Whoever made the schedule this year was on drugs. The Patriots have had to play the Steelers, Chargers, Jets twice, Colts, Bears, Packers, Vikings, Ravens, not to mention the tough Miami and Buffalo twice. The Jets have beaten one team with a winning record all year and are thus only one game behind the Patriots.

So the difference is that the Jets played the Texans instead of the Colts (the Texans split their series with the Colts) and the sorry Broncos instead of the sorry Chargers (Broncos lost in San Diego, play the Chargers at home week 16). That's your beef? The schedules look very similar.

JimHow · Post by **JimHow** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 12:12 am

From ESPN.com:

2010 strength of schedule
April, 13, 2010 Apr 134:42PM ETEmail Print Comments158 By ESPN.com staffWith the upcoming release of the 2010 NFL schedule, here’s a look at the strength of schedule for each team:

2010 Strength Of Schedule
A look at the most difficult schedules in 2010 (based on opponents' 2009 record) Rank Team Combined W-L Pct.
T1. Texans 140-116 .547
T1. Titans 140-116 .547
3. Cowboys* 139-117 .543
4. Bengals* 138-118 .539
5. Jaguars 137-119 .535
6. Patriots* 136-120 .531
7. Giants 135-121 .527
8. Redskins 134-122 .523
9. Eagles* 133-123 .520
T10. Browns 132-124 .516
T10. Colts* 132-124 .516
12. Ravens* 130-126 .508
T12. Lions 130-126 .508
T14. Bears 129-127 .504
T14. Vikings* 129-127 .504
T16. Bills 128-128 .500
T16. Dolphins 128-128 .500
T16. Jets* 128-128 .500
T16. Raiders 128-128 .500
20. Falcons 127-129 .496
21. Steelers 126-130 .492
T22. Packers* 125-131 .488
T22. Chiefs 125-131 .488
24. Broncos 124-132 .484
25. Buccaneers 123-133 .480
26. Panthers 122-134 .477
27. Saints* 120-136 .469
28. 49ers 117-139 .457
T29. Chargers* 116-140 .453
T29. Seahawks 116-140 .453
31. Rams 115-141 .449
32. Cardinals* 114-142 .445

jal · Post by **jal** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 12:26 am

But these ratings were based on last year's schedule, and you claim that the Jets played against mainly losing teams this year.

Patriots at home:
Bengals Bills Ravens Viking Colts Jets Packers Dolphins

Jets at home:
Ravens Patriots Vikings Packers Texans Bengals Dolphins Bills
(only difference is Texans not Colts)

Patriots away:
Jets Dolphins Chargers Browns Steelers Lions Bears Bills

Jets away:
Dolphins Bills Broncos Lions Browns Patriots Steelers Bears
(only difference is Broncos not Chargers)

I submit that it is more difficult to win at Denver than San Diego, but the schedules look very similar to me.

JimHow · Post by **JimHow** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 1:22 am

If we are measuring victories so far this season, the Patriots wins have come against three teams with winning records and three teams with 6-6 records.

The Jets wins have come against one team with a winning record and one team with a 6-6 record.

Also, I think playing against Peyton is tougher than playing against Houston, and I think playing at San Diego is much tougher than playing at Denver.

There's still a quarter of a season to go.

The one stat that I'm interested in is how the tie-breakers are shaping up. The Pats are in good shape against Pittsburgh because we beat them. According to one Boston sportscaster the other night, the Pats can lose against either the Bears or Packers, and if they beat Miami and Buffalo, they will get the top seed even if either the Jets or Steelers go undefeated the rest of the way. (Both the Jets and Steelers can't go undefeated because they have to play each other.) I'm wondering if that is accurate. In other words, if the Jets go 4-0 the rest of the way, and the Pats go 3-1 (the loss coming from one of the non-conference teams, either the Bears or Packers), and both teams end up 13-3, who gets the top seed?

This is incredibly important, of course, because the top seed gets a bye and two home games before the Super Bowl, the other 13-3 team would get a wild card spot and would have to win three road games to get to the Super Bowl... despite a 13-3 record.

jal · Post by **jal** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 1:53 am

The Patriots get the top seed in this case, here are the rules:

TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION
If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.

Two Clubs

1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in common games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.

alchemeus · Post by **alchemeus** » Fri Dec 17, 2010 1:57 am

Heck, not to worry Jim, the Patriots are likely to be in the Super Bowl the way they are playing. And I hate them. GO RAVENS!

I'm from Maryland.

JimHow wrote:From ESPN.com:

2010 strength of schedule
April, 13, 2010 Apr 134:42PM ETEmail Print Comments158 By ESPN.com staffWith the upcoming release of the 2010 NFL schedule, here’s a look at the strength of schedule for each team:

2010 Strength Of Schedule
A look at the most difficult schedules in 2010 (based on opponents' 2009 record) Rank Team Combined W-L Pct.
T1. Texans 140-116 .547
T1. Titans 140-116 .547
3. Cowboys* 139-117 .543
4. Bengals* 138-118 .539
5. Jaguars 137-119 .535
6. Patriots* 136-120 .531
7. Giants 135-121 .527
8. Redskins 134-122 .523
9. Eagles* 133-123 .520
T10. Browns 132-124 .516
T10. Colts* 132-124 .516
12. Ravens* 130-126 .508
T12. Lions 130-126 .508
T14. Bears 129-127 .504
T14. Vikings* 129-127 .504
T16. Bills 128-128 .500
T16. Dolphins 128-128 .500
T16. Jets* 128-128 .500
T16. Raiders 128-128 .500
20. Falcons 127-129 .496
21. Steelers 126-130 .492
T22. Packers* 125-131 .488
T22. Chiefs 125-131 .488
24. Broncos 124-132 .484
25. Buccaneers 123-133 .480
26. Panthers 122-134 .477
27. Saints* 120-136 .469
28. 49ers 117-139 .457
T29. Chargers* 116-140 .453
T29. Seahawks 116-140 .453
31. Rams 115-141 .449
32. Cardinals* 114-142 .445

JimHow · Post by **JimHow** » Fri Dec 17, 2010 2:04 am

Ravens are the one team that worries me in the AFC.

The Jets are cheaters.

alchemeus · Post by **alchemeus** » Fri Dec 17, 2010 2:39 am

JimHow wrote:Ravens are the one team that worries me in the AFC.

The Jets are cheaters.

Love to see a Ravens/Eagles Super Bowl, with the Ravens beating the $#!7 outta the Eagles. Doubt it will happen but still...

stefan · Post by **stefan** » Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:44 pm

>>
The Jets are cheaters
>>

Then what are the Patriots? Criminals?

JimHow · Post by **JimHow** » Fri Dec 17, 2010 9:12 pm

The Patriots just quietly go about their business, they don't brag and pound their chests like Rex and his NYC-media hyped pretenders, their unparalleled excellence infuriates people, it generates a jealousy in the general public that is just human nature. They may have videotaped a meaningless walk-through a decade ago but I don't recall them tripping anyone on the sidelines.... Peter King had an interesting stat last week: The Pats won two-thirds of their games during the time they were supposedly "cheating.". They've won three-quarters of their games since then....