Deals Thread

[JoelD]

Yikes. Did it look like recent seepage or prior?

I've had older bottles, when I moved them from offsite to onsite, start seeping. The temperature change affects the ullage and eventually there can be leakage from that. The concern with older ones of course is that they were heat affected, and sometimes those stains are a cue to that.

This was definitely older seepage. Honestly, my theory is that he buys seepage occasionally either by accident, or negotiates a discount when purchasing. Then he resells at a lower than usual rate. Both bottles I have purchased from him that have seepage, have been value buys compared to the market. I think he just hopes it won't get noticed or the buyer won't say anything so he can move off inventory.

I don't think he's doing anything deliberately deceptive. I've bought more than a few bottles from Ben and have not had a bad one yet. One thing I do wish he included was some sort of condition description but I'm sure that would delay getting the inventory updated. I would suggest if the price is noticeably below market or if it's a pricey bottle is to call him or shoot him an e-mail asking for details, He's usually very prompt at responding with whatever info you want.

Thats possible Gerry. I didn't make that assertion lightly though. It was based off of multiple discussions and interactions through problems with orders and based on general quality of some of the bottles that I've received. Most were on the borderline of my minimum standards for fills, corks etc. Although, again on this order, in all fairness.. the other 5 bottles were in Very good condition. He does post about condition issues on some bottles though, so if it is left blank, then I assume it should be at least very good.

[AKR]

K&L has the 2012 Tertre Roteboeuf [St Emilion] for $104ish.

That's one of the lower prices for any vintage of the estate in the US, at least on free WS.

I haven't tasted it, or many 2012 right banks, but it has the reputation of being a decent/good year for those merlot driven AOCs.

[jckba]

July Fourth Savings Are Starting Early This Year! Save BIG at Zachys This Weekend with 15% Off Orders of $250 or More of In-Stock Wines & Spirits. Save on Thousands of In-Stock Wines! Use Promo Code POPPOP15 at Checkout.

This sale applies to all in-stock wines including wines that are on sale so happy shopping.

[AKR]

We have a slightly different variant of these. Mrs AKR uses hers all the time, mostly to keep the sangria cool.

https://www.costco.com/rabbit-double-wa ... 11876.html

[AKR]

I still have never tried it, and the price still seems high for a generic wine, but K&L is offering the 2016 La Goulee for $27. Need to be logged in, and a subscriber to InsidersEdge emails to see the price.

https://www.klwines.com/p/i?i=1435527

It's from Cos d'Estournel and they make a deal of the association/linkage, but I suspect what they do is just bully the trade into taking some if they want the grand vin.

Still I have been curious to try a decent vintage, although I don't think anything more than a couple of sawbucks makes sense.

[SF Ed]

Woodland Hills Wine Company is having their annual sale right now and have some great deals. I loaded up on some NV Champagnes and Produttori single vineyards. Worth a look.

SF Ed

[Musigny 151]

Millesima in Manhattan is offering 33% off some large format Bordeaux when you buy 3.

I know that many of you are Sociando fans, and jeroboam and imperial 2009/2010 minus a third sounds like a deal. Then of course there are the Mechiors and Balthazars of Giscours for the next BWE weekend.

Item Name
Vintage
Size
Price/Case
Appellation
Btl/Case
Sociando Mallet
2010
JEROBOAM
$ 573.00
Haut-Medoc
1
Sociando Mallet
2010
IMPERIALE
$ 690.00
Haut-Medoc
1
Sociando Mallet
2009
JEROBOAM
$ 572.00
Haut-Medoc
1
Sociando Mallet
2009
IMPERIALE
$ 690.00
Haut-Medoc
1
Sociando Mallet
2008
IMPERIALE
$ 580.00
Haut-Medoc
1
Giscours
2012
DBLE-MAG
$ 395.00
Margaux
1
Giscours
2012
JEROBOAM
$ 656.00
Margaux
1
Giscours
2012
IMPERIALE
$ 790.00
Margaux
1
Giscours
2012
NABUCH
$ 1,975.00
Margaux
1
Giscours
2012
MELCHIOR
$ 2,370.00
Margaux
1
Giscours
2012
BALTHAZAR
$ 1,580.00
Margaux
1
Giscours
2010
JEROBOAM
$ 996.00
Margaux
1
Giscours
2010
IMPERIALE
$ 1,200.00
Margaux
1
Tour de Mons
2014
IMPERIALE
$ 410.00
Margaux
1
Branas Grand Poujeaux
2009
BOUT
$ 588.00
Moulis
12
Fleur Peyrabon
2000
JEROBOAM
$ 480.00
Pauillac
1
Fleur Peyrabon
2000
IMPERIALE
$ 540.00
Pauillac
1
Grand Puy Ducasse
2012
DBLE-MAG
$ 320.00
Pauillac
1
Grand Puy Ducasse
2012
IMPERIALE
$ 640.00
Pauillac
1
Lynch Bages
2010
DBLE-MAG
$ 1,275.00
Pauillac
1
Lynch Bages
2010
IMPERIALE
$ 3,000.00
Pauillac
1
Clos l Eglise Pomerol
2009
BOUT
$ 1,770.00
Pomerol
6
Croix du Casse
2012
DBLE-MAG
$ 245.00
Pomerol
1
Fayat
2015
BOUT
$ 708.00
Pomerol
12
Fayat
2015
MAGNUM
$ 708.00
Pomerol
6
Fayat
2015
IMPERIALE
$ 640.00
Pomerol
1
Moulinet
2009
BOUT
$ 588.00
Pomerol
12
Clos de Sarpe
2012
BOUT
$ 1,068.00
Saint-Emilion
12
Clos de Sarpe
2012
DBLE-MAG
$ 470.00
Saint-Emilion
1
Couvent Jacobins
2010
BOUT
$ 600.00
Saint-Emilion
12
Couvent Jacobins
2010
MAGNUM
$ 600.00
Saint-Emilion
6
Grand Corbin Manuel
2010
BOUT
$ 407.88
Saint-Emilion
12
Mondot
2009
BOUT
$ 708.00
Saint-Emilion
12
Lafon Rochet
2010
IMPERIALE
$ 790.00
Saint-Estephe
1
Mignot
2010
DBLE-MAG
$ 140.00
Saint-Estephe
1
Mignot
2010
IMPERIALE
$ 280.00
Saint-Estephe
1

[AKR]

For those of you who want to take a flyer

https://www.winebid.com/BuyWine/Item/75 ... Pin-Figeac

This estate is now gone as its own label...but its vineyards have been (partially) absorbed into neighboring Cheval Blanc.

A friend and I shared a case of the 1990 in halves around the turn of the century or so, and it was pretty good, in that herbal cab francy kind of way. I have not seen any of this tiny estate for a long, long time.

[DavidG]

"That herbal Cab France kind of way" sounds like an Orlando Bobby kind of wine. But he's sworn off St Emilions.

[AKR]

Ben at CellarRaiders just got in another wacky older cellar. Lots of curiosities, some low priced.

That solid case of 89 Haut Marbuzet at $59 doesn't seem too bad. Good vintage. Estate is normally $35-$40 on release. 1990 usually goes for $60ish, although I've never had a really good one that was worth the money.
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1961 Angelus 2 $499 top shoulder fill 750ml
1961 Angelus - low mid shoulder 1 $225 low mid shoulder fill 750ml
1961 Angelus- mid shoulder 1 $325 mid shoulder fill 750ml
1970 Angelus 2 $175 750ml
1990 Arrosee 6 $115 750ml
2005 Ausone 8 $1,295 750ml
1990 Beausejour Lagarrosse 15 $695 750ml
1966 Beychevelle 1 $149 750ml
1966 Beychevelle- mid shoulder 1 $95 mid shoulder fill 750ml
1970 Beychevelle- mid shoulder 1 $95 mid shoulder fill 750ml
1953 Beychevelle - below shoulder 3 $99 below shoulder fill 750ml
1975 Beychevelle - mid shoulder 2 $29 mid shoulder fill 375ml
1959 Beychevelle- Luze bottling 5 $295 top shoulder or better 750ml
1975 Branaire Ducru 8 $99 750ml
1976 Branaire Ducru 5 $59 750ml
1982 Branaire Ducru 12 $175 750ml
1966 Brane Cantenac 1 $65 750ml
1967 Brane Cantenac - mid shoulder 1 $29 mid shoulder fill 750ml
1975 Calon Segur - mid shoulder 2 $39 mid shoulder fill 750ml
1982 Camensac 6 $69 750ml
1961 Cantenac Brown - high shoulder 1 $139 high shoulder fill 750ml
1975 Cantenac Brown 1 $39 750ml
1978 Certan de May 1 $99 750ml
1971 Chateau la Croix Pomerol 2 $15 high shoulder fill 375ml
1982 Clerc Milon 12 $139 750ml
1970 Cos d'Estournel 1 $175 750ml
1982 Cos d'Estournel 11 $375 750ml
1982 Coufran 12 $49 750ml
1979 Croizet Bages 5 $29 750ml
1970 Ducru Beaucaillou 1 $179 750ml
1982 Ducru Beaucaillou 6 $345 750ml
1988 Ducru Beaucaillou 6 $189 750ml
1995 Ducru Beaucaillou 7 $209 750ml
1990 Evangile 12 $289 750ml
1989 de Fieuzal 12 $75 750ml
1975 Figeac 2 $119 750ml
1971 Figeac 3 $75 high shoulder or better fills 375ml
1966 Gazin 1 $75 750ml
1995 Gazin 6 $99 750ml
1975 Giscours 7 $65 750ml
1975 Gloria 5 $45 750ml
1982 Greysac 10 $49 750ml
1961 Gruaud Larose- 6cm 1 $595 6cm fill 750ml
1982 Gruaud Larose 11 $395 750ml
1966 Haut Bailly 1 $75 750ml
1967 Haut Brion 1 $295 3cm fill 750ml
1968 Haut Brion 1 $275 4cm fill 750ml
1970 Haut Brion 2 $345 4cm fill 750ml
1971 Haut Brion 1 $275 3cm fill 750ml
1972 Haut Brion 1 $245 4cm fill 750ml
1974 Haut Brion 1 $245 2cm fill 750ml
1989 Haut Marbuzet 12 $59 750ml
2000 La Clusiere 18 $775 750ml
1990 La Conseillante 13 $525 750ml
1982 La Dominique 6 $115 750ml
1968 Latour - high mid shoulder 1 $295 high mid shoulder fill 750ml
1970 Latour 4 $575 top shoulder fill 750ml
1970 Latour - high shoulder 1 $395 high shoulder fill 750ml
1979 Latour- mid shoulder 1 $245 mid shoulder fill 750ml
1972 Latour - mid shoulder 1 $295 mid shoulder fill 750ml
1973 Latour- mid shoulder 1 $295 mid shoulder fill 750ml
1973 Latour 2 $375 750ml
1974 Latour 1 $395 750ml
1981 Latour 2 $425 750ml
2000 Latour 6 $925 750ml
1989 Le Gay 12 $145 750ml
1970 Leoville Barton 1 $95 750ml
1990 Leoville Barton 1 $245 750ml
1995 Leoville Barton 2 $145 750ml
2000 Leoville Barton 1 $149 750ml
1948 Leoville Poyferre- low shoulder 1 $139 low shoulder fill 750ml
1981 Leoville Las Cases 12 $135 750ml
1982 Leoville Las Cases 19 $475 750ml
1983 Leoville Las Cases 10 $149 750ml
1971 La Mission Haut Brion 6 $269 750ml
1981 La Mission Haut Brion 6 $225 750ml
1989 La Mission Haut Brion 13 $1,325 750ml
1975 Lynch Bages 10 $135 750ml
1975 Lynch Bages - mid shoulder 2 $85 mid shoulder fill 750ml
1982 Lynch Bages 11 $345 750ml
1982 Lynch Bages - high mid shoulder 2 $255 high mid shoulder fill 750ml
1985 Lynch Bages 27 $279 750ml
1990 Lynch Bages 11 $325 750ml
2000 Lynch Bages 6 $235 750ml
1979 Lynch Bages 6 $119 high mid to top shoulder fills 750ml
1959 Chateau Margaux 1 $1,995 750ml
1981 Chateau Margaux 1 $395 750ml
1985 Chateau Margaux 3 $625 750ml
1986 Chateau Margaux 1 $625 750ml
2000 Chateau Margaux 2 $945 750ml
1970 Montrose 1 $199 750ml
1989 Montrose 4 $475 750ml
1990 Montrose 7 $575 750ml
1995 Montrose 24 $195 750ml
1996 Montrose 18 $215 750ml
1978 Mouton Rothschild - mid shoulder 1 $299 mid shoulder fill 750ml
1981 Mouton Rothschild 6 $345 750ml
1982 Mouton Rothschild- highly scuffed labels 13 $1,075 scuffed labels 750ml
1982 Mouton- scuffed labels, mid shoulder 2 $695 scuffed labels, mid shoulder fill 750ml
1966 Palmer - mid shoulder 6 $395 mid shoulder fill 750ml
1966 Palmer - low shoulder 1 $295 low shoulder fill 750ml
1983 Palmer 1 $625 750ml
1970 Pape Clement 2 $69 750ml
2000 Pavie 35 $499 750ml
1970 Petrus - high shoulder 1 $1,895 high shoulder fill 750ml
2005 Petrus 5 $3,899 750ml
1989 Pichon Baron 7 $325 750ml
1990 Pichon Baron 16 $345 750ml
2000 Pichon Baron 7 $225 750ml
1970 Pichon Lalande 3 $239 750ml
1961 Pontet Clauzure 7 $99 750ml
1966 Prieure Lichine 2 $65 750ml
1975 Rausan Gassies 5 $39 top shoulder 750ml
1979 Rausan Gassies 4 $49 750ml
1979 Rausan Segla 3 $59 750ml
1982 Sociando Mallet 21 $135 750ml
1983 Sociando Mallet 6 $95 750ml
1975 Talbot 2 $65 750ml
1962 Talbot - 4cm 3 $95 4cm fill 750ml
1966 Talbot- 7cm 1 $65 7cm fill 750ml
1969 Vieux Chateau Certan 1 $19 375ml

[jckba]

Figured I would bump this thread now in anticipation of what lies ahead while also sharing that D’Artagnan is running a 30% off select items Black Friday sale this week

https://www.dartagnan.com/buy/black-friday/

[AKR]

Figured I would bump this thread now in anticipation of what lies ahead while also sharing that D’Artagnan is running a 30% off select items Black Friday sale this week

https://www.dartagnan.com/buy/black-friday/

And if you have an Amex, check your Amex Offers as d'Artagnan participates in that. You may also have wine related offers too, although often of thinner value.

[jckba]

HDH has a 15% Off Site-Wide Sale going on right now, some pricing is better than others so be sure to check.

http://www.hdhwine.com/112520

[Blanquito]

HDH has a 15% Off Site-Wide Sale going on right now, some pricing is better than others so be sure to check.

http://www.hdhwine.com/112520

Has their retail shipping gone all PITA like the auction side?

[JoelD]

HDH has a 15% Off Site-Wide Sale going on right now, some pricing is better than others so be sure to check.

http://www.hdhwine.com/112520

Thanks for the enablement. In true BWE fashion, I picked up a mixed case of 2016 bordeaux. Great prices. Including two JimHow recommendations on the Lynch Bages and La Dame De Montrose, at around 133 and 36 respectively including tax.

[marcs]

Kind of remarkable how Bordeaux prices are flat or dropping everywhere you look. HDH has huge supplies of the 2016 Pichon Baron at $140/bottle. I bought that wine for like $165 six months ago, and thought it was an OK price for such a highly rated wine from a supposed vintage of the century. I have like 8 or 9 bottles of it so I don't need any more (especially since I didn't love it when I tried it), but I really should have waited -- could have saved hundreds of dollars.

[JCNorthway]

Interesting about HDH doing 15% off. Last year it was 20% and I took advantage, only because I had a trip planned to Chicago and could pick it up.

[JimHow]

I had that 2016 La Dame de Montrose yet again, Joel, because I wanted to confirm whether I wanted to buy a case.
It is a stunner! I love it. $36 is a great price, it's like $47 in NH and will go down to $40 when on sale.

[JimHow]

How is HDH on shipping, are they prompt and drama free?

[JoelD]

How is HDH on shipping, are they prompt and drama free?

Shipping was only $35 to DC for me. I consider that reasonable. Unclear if they are shipping from Chicago or Delaware. I'll find that out on Monday.

This is my first time ordering from them, and I broke my normal rule of only paying for either sales tax or shipping, never both. But with these deals, for these wines it was worth it. It seemed pretty simple on the checkout and my shipment is already scheduled to leave on weds the 2nd.


I am excited to try the la dame, as I see it every day at Wegmans for 44+tax. Got 3 on this sale. Curious to see if it can beat out the Capbern or Lilian Ladouys

Total purchase of 2016's was(including tax, not shipping)
1x Lynch Bages @ 133
3x La Dame De Montrose @36
2x malartic@ 52
2x Cantenac brown @53
1x haut bailly @105
1x parde haut bailly @ 30
1x tronquoy lalande @31

1x 2010 Cantenac Brown@71 for good measure

[AKR]

How is HDH on shipping, are they prompt and drama free?

From Chicago to Sacramento, a few years ago was $60/cs, and its likely gone up since then. They do pack unusually well. When they altered their retail operation (new releases basically now) and shipping was sort of paused for a while, I unsubscribed / stopped dealing with them.

But for a couple decades, my once or twice a year box from HDH (mostly single bottle purchases, held til ship) was always the highlight of shipping season. According to their website they have greatly changed their HTS policies, and now only grant 60 days gratis. Previously they were very generous in this dimension, a key item for me personally.

HDH's sale prices on their 15 & 16 La Grave a Pomerol ($42/per) and the 16 Latour a Pomerol ($75) are pretty fair in the context of our times. They also have a wine from Rene Rostaing - the 2015 Puech Noble - which is like a syrah driven Languedoc version of his Cote Rotie. It's not easy to find and if you like his wines, its a good $20 btl to fill out a case.

[Racer Chris]

I haven't been buying anything for cellaring this year and HDH is generally outside my shopping radius but the price of the '16 Talbot was attractive to me. The two I have were $67 each.
I already have a dozen of the '16 La Dame or I might have been swayed to purchase a mixed case.
Best I keep my powder dry for something else more attractive.

[Blanquito]

Kind of remarkable how Bordeaux prices are flat or dropping everywhere you look. HDH has huge supplies of the 2016 Pichon Baron at $140/bottle. I bought that wine for like $165 six months ago, and thought it was an OK price for such a highly rated wine from a supposed vintage of the century. I have like 8 or 9 bottles of it so I don't need any more (especially since I didn't love it when I tried it), but I really should have waited -- could have saved hundreds of dollars.

I got mine at Costco this summer on sale for $99!

[Blanquito]

Just a word of caution which Arv mentions — I heard the the HDH auction side, which relocated to Delaware I believe, wasn’t even providing a shipping service anymore! Apparently, the customer had to come up with their own shipping. Maybe that’s not longer the case.

[AKR]

Just a word of caution which Arv mentions — I heard the the HDH auction side, which relocated to Delaware I believe, wasn’t even providing a shipping service anymore! Apparently, the customer had to come up with their own shipping. Maybe that’s not longer the case.

Yes, something strange happened shipping wise with them some years ago. A few years ago I cut off most out of state retailers as I feared a national freeze. That has not come to pass, and as with many of my concerns, the worst doesn't usually come true.

My hunch is that they were playing games like Dennis Kozlowski (of Tyco fame) was with his out of state art auction purchases, and got tangled up in some high profile individuals audit, and were referred to state authorities for further investigation.

[marcs]

Kind of remarkable how Bordeaux prices are flat or dropping everywhere you look. HDH has huge supplies of the 2016 Pichon Baron at $140/bottle. I bought that wine for like $165 six months ago, and thought it was an OK price for such a highly rated wine from a supposed vintage of the century. I have like 8 or 9 bottles of it so I don't need any more (especially since I didn't love it when I tried it), but I really should have waited -- could have saved hundreds of dollars.

I got mine at Costco this summer on sale for $99!

ARGHH. So you are telling me that I basically lit $500 on fire by buying this wine at $160 -- that wipes out a huge fraction of my gains from being a shrewd shopper over the years. Let this put in perspective your worries about buying two bottles of Chevillon Vaucrains (an actual rare wine, annual production of a few hundred cases vs. 18,000 cases for PB) at $157!

[JimHow]

I just emailed HDH. If they will ship to me, upon Joel's enablement, I will get:
6 x 2016 Lynch Bages @126
12 x 2016 La Dame de Montrose @ $34

[Blanquito]

If it makes you feel any better, Marcus, this was a pretty hardcore sale — the Pichon Baron was priced $160 there before going on sale.

All told at this sale, I got 7 bottles of the 2016 PIchon Baron for $99, 4 bottles of the 2016 Lynch Bages for $99, 3 bottles of the 2016 Cos d’Estournel for $130, and 6 bottles of the 2016 Giscours for $50.

I figure if I don’t like these down the road, I can resell at a healthy profit. I mean, the 16 Cos is already going at auction for like $225 a bottle!: https://www.klwines.com/Auction/Bidding ... archRank=2

[JimHow]

Yeah before I placed my order with HDH I told them I was interested in buying those bottles but only if they shipped to Maine.

The response I got:

Hello,

Thank you for your order. Yes, we can ship to Maine. Place the order online, and you will be contacted next week with options and scheduling.

Thank you,

Now I have cold feet.

[JoelD]

Yeah before I placed my order with HDH I told them I was interested in buying those bottles but only if they shipped to Maine.

The response I got:

Hello,

Thank you for your order. Yes, we can ship to Maine. Place the order online, and you will be contacted next week with options and scheduling.

Thank you,

Now I have cold feet.

what gives you cold feet about that? guessing they have to use a third party shipper to get to Maine?

[AKR]

I'm not a huge fan of Brunello, but K&L has a ton on sale (plenty of 2015s for sub $30) if you log into to your account. It reminds me of that time Zachys send around a list of 20-30 estates that were all $30 a pop for the 2010 vintage.

https://tinyurl.com/yyp53zpb

I've always thought this was a category with 'brittle' pricing. High prices on release, that are not supported with secondary market validation. And there is no hospitality/travel outlet to sell them to cruises, airlines, biz lounges who can sort of use them in $18 BTG programs.

[AKR]

Grapes Wine Co. of Westchester is having a 25% Cyber Monday sale, on purchases above 12 btls

https://www.grapesthewineco.com/

On their front page banner.

I'm not sure how shipping works with them (now) but they were always a serious store.

[Racer Chris]

A local store has 1993 Ch. Lagrange on the shelf for $59. Should I buy 1 or 3 or more?

[JimHow]

One.
And much thanks again for your enablement on that 2015 Larose Trintaudon, I love that wine, it's like under $20 when on sale in NH.
Wonderfully stern.

[Racer Chris]

Unfortunately there was no 1993 Ch. Lagrange on the shelf. The store manager suggested it was due to a typo when data was being uploaded. They do have bottles of the 2015, but listed at a higher price - $64.99. I was only interested because I've had so few bottles from the '90s, and I haven't ever drank Lagrange.
They didn't have the one bottle of 2016 Marsac Seguineau listed online either, although they have plenty in another store a few miles away in the other direction.
So I bought one bottle of 2016 Ch. La Cardonne, a Medoc Cru Bourgeois that I've been buying since 2009 vintage. The '09 and '10 are old school, but the '15 and '16 have gone modern with high alc and new oak. I don't plan on buying more of either vintage.

Jim, I currently have 65 bottles of L-T across 5 vintages, 30 of the 2015. I don't think I've had a corked bottle from that chateau. It's very consistent.

(edited to correct the vintage)

[JimHow]

Ah ok I thought it was 93 Lagrange as opposed to 95.
The 95 is a nice wine, I doubt there are still many 93s out there on the shelves.
Yeah, I need to get down to NH and scoop up a case of the 15 Larose Trintaudon, that is a nice classic Medoc.

[Racer Chris]

That was a typo. I meant '93. It seemed highly unlikely they would have it but required in person verification.

[DavidG]

How bad was 2013, really? Pichon Baron $12.95 bad?

[AKR]

I hear rumors of double mags of 2016 La Lagune in Bay Area Costco's for $179.97

The concrete floor cognoscenti would recognize that is a closeout price.

Don't know which stores, nor have I seen any of those dmags in the wild....

Glad to see the site is back up and running!!!

[jckba]

While browsing Zachys site I found a couple of awfully discounted Italian steals / deals amongst them the 2017 Felsina Rancia Chianti Classico Reserva on prearrival for wait for it $32.99/btl.

https://www.zachys.com/chianti-classico ... 750ml.html