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AKR wrote:Even those who live in regular suburbs are no longer safe -- this isn't just a 'cabin in the woods' kind of risk anymore for those living in the drier parts of the west.
Virtually all of the 400 houses lost in the 2012 Waldo Canyon fire, which put me out of my forest land home for a week, were in suburban Colorado Springs at that suburban interface zone (I think that's what it's called) with nary a tree in sight. It did burn thousands of acres of forest along the Rampart Range but that was basically uninhabited. The fire came down a different canyon and off a ridge and incinerated those homes in about a 10 hour overnight period.

Grass/range fires are not uncommon in Kona. And very severe grass and range fires have burned thousands of acres in Kansas and Texas in recent years. Severe drought is a common underlying cause.

Sad news there for your sister.

Just also wanted to note that in my case the fire got to a little more than a mile from my house before it changed direction. And when we got to go back in there were firefighters, trucks and bulldozers all going up our private road and making firebreaks. They even watered out outdoor plants. The guys swore that our houses would not be lost. I'm grateful for their devotion but I must say if the fire was going to come through I would definitely have preferred my house and contents burn than to come home to a blackened, shadeless landscape. As it was we did not even lose our viewshed, the burn scar stopped one ridge over. It was a freak.
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Greetings from Paris, where we are doing a whirlwind mini-vacation!
Winona the Dem just won the ranked choice runoff here in the Maine second CD race.
Poliquin tried to stop the vote count but our newly Trump appointed federal judge Lance Walker refused to grant the injunction. He was one of our favorite judges at the state level, Trump appointing a level headed moderate actually gave us hope that the system is not completely corrupted, and he certainly came through in his first big decision!
We’ll see what happens now at the appellate level.
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Its definitely a Trump inspired Blue Wave. Maybe even a Tsunami since it looked like not much was coming at first, but now its the biggest Dem gain since the post Watergate election.
It certainly took Trump by surprise and now he's at least soaked, if not totally under water.
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Devastating losses for him for sure. With each new day, more bad news.

Who will he purge next in punishment?

Is Homeland Security to blame for this?

How could Nielsen not have warned him? or prevented it?

Maybe she will punished next

I wonder - like Steinbrenner of yore - he will bring back Omarosa to be his Billy Martin.
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I was just reading back through this thread, including leading up to and through election night 2016.
There is some amazing stuff in here.
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WSJ and NYT had some really interesting articles at the city level where they discuss the changes in Houston and Salt Lake City.

Stunning defeats for Trump in both cities.

These are losses like Team USA vs USSR 1980 Olympic Hockey.

Surely he will have to moderate himself going forward lest he suffer a Walter Mondale like defeat.

He will never be able to erase that from his permanent record.
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I came across this great Frontline video on the Trump 2016 campaign that I had never seen.
Anybody who is convinced that he can't be reelected in particular should watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMwXKl0odq8
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Demos better get their act together soon and determine an electable MOR candidate.
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September 1991, greeting the president off his helicopter at the athletic field at my alma mater, Lewiston High School. It seems like yesterday. What a great day that was. A completely different way of doing business in government, when Democrats and Republicans could actually talk to each other. He was very gracious.
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A good article this weekend on the pitifulness of the Clintons.
Hillary wants to run again. Good grief.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/01/opin ... e=Homepage
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JimHow wrote:A good article this weekend on the pitifulness of the Clintons.
Hillary wants to run again. Good grief.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/01/opin ... e=Homepage
I love Ms. Dowd's tag for POTUS: orange puffer clown fish

She should trademark that.

It seems to be hardly mentioned or noted now, but there are a lot of stories that suggest HW Bush was effectively President starting in 1986, as Reagan's ailments started getting worse.

I bet Pence is already having to bear that burden.
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Just watched the Bob Dole salute to George Bush. Such a powerful moment.
Those old World War II guys just get me every time.
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I think Rachel Maddow is going to orgasm over this Michael Flynn sentencing memo.
This better lead to something, because otherwise: "Lock him up."
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Chuck Rosenberg, as usual, did a good job of helping her unpack it.
I loved it when he quoted Lyn Manuel Miranda's "Hamilton" - Flynn was "In the room where it happened."
Barbara McQuade is another guest who's commentary I always appreciate.
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interesting article linking the chaos in Europe to Trump

https://www.city-journal.org/html/frenc ... 15125.html
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We were in Paris on that first weekend of the protests, walking west from near the Louvre up the Champs Elysees, all of a sudden we were mixed in with all the yellow jackets, they were barricading off the streets, revving their motorcycles, blowing whistles, most of them were just like normal people, school teachers, etc., but there were a bunch of bully types up front and on the perimeters, it actually felt a little dangerous there for a while.
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Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning. Winston Churchill
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You should see what’s going on up here in the Maine second CD recount in the House race that was won by the Democrat in the first ever ranked choice voting race.
The Republicans are making up these stories that people erroneously voted for the Republican incumbent in the first CD, that is, that there was some mix up in the ballots. It is an impossibility for various reasons but like 17 people have signed affidavits with the obvious intent of just calling into question the validity of the race. The loser incumbent has filed suit in federal court challenging the constitutionality if ranked choice voting.
The Republican Party no longer believes in the peaceful transfer of power.
Imagine the scenario in 2020 where Trump loses by narrow margins in WI, MI, and PA, and goes down to narrow defeat.
He will not voluntarily surrender the White House on such a “rigged” vote.
It is going to be an amazing scene.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/06/opin ... ering.html
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The latest Cohen stuff may be his undoing. Hoping.
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Claret wrote:The latest Cohen stuff may be his undoing. Hoping.
I remain shocked that the shoe has not dropped yet. Mueller is saving our democracy, and I have faith he is taking his time cultivating an iron-clad case for the teflon Don. Hopefully, soon.
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I personally think that nothing will happen to Don in terms of impeachment. The report will be damaging enough that he will be one term president, but not enough for republicans to come around and impeach him. The current republican leaders will stick to their tribalism rather than put democracy above personal gain when needed, or even for that matter when the democracy is at the ‘stake’ for the US. For them, why bother when nearly half the country watches only faux news and don’t even know how the Mueller investigation is lifting the veil of lies being perpetrated by Don and his mafia?
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..duplicate...
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I'll go even further, CV.
He gets reelected.
Who among the Democrats beats him?
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JimHow wrote:I'll go even further, CV.
He gets reelected.
Who among the Democrats beats him?
That thought came to my mind...But, in 2016, Trump won penn, mi and wis by 50k, combined (please correct me if I am wrong), when anti obama sentiment (or let’s call racial bias?) was high, and against an unpopular Hillary. I think dems can field someone better than hillary if not charismatic... But I think dems, especially bernie followers, have seen what would happen if they don’t vote. They will be energized to vote (only this time, but not in future though as people have short memories) and would be enough to edge out Don.
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One name for Democrats:
John Hickenlooper.
Fingers crossed
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Bernie/Beto '20.
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WSJ is reporting this morning that Trump is tweeting that the protesters in Paris want him and that he loves France.

I was looking at the pictures it looks pretty crazy.

This isn't like typical US rioting which happens in underclass areas like Ferguson, Watts/Compton, Baltimore etc.
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Bernie
Beto
Warren
Booker
They don't stand a chance. The center will reject them and we'll be stuck with Trump for another four years. Only chance for the Dems is someone like Bloomberg or Hickenlooper imho
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I think the Dems tried to reach for the center with Hillary and they lost.
The Dems ran the midterms unapologetically further to the left, on issues like health care and even gun control, and they produced a large turnout and succeeded in a huge blue wave. The old road is rapidly aging...
If Wasserman et al hadn’t stolen the nomination from Bernie he would have won WI, MI, and PA and we would have been spared from Orange Head.
I’m fine with Bloomberg but I don’t think he’ll run.
We need someone mean like Bernie who will stand up to Orange Head’s fascist tactics.
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Delaney from Maryland or Brown from Ohio are two interesting dark horses. Delaney has already spent a lot of time in Iowa and time in New Hampshire.
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JimHow wrote:Bernie/Beto '20.
I like that.
Hillary can be AG. :o
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Oh man would I have loved to see Flynn in jail, if even only for a weekend.
Lock them all up, starting with Orange Head himself.
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JimHow wrote:...
starting with Orange Head himself.
You mean "Individual 1."
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Those fools, with their thuggish rally chants.
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JimHow wrote:I think the Dems tried to reach for the center with Hillary and they lost.
The Dems ran the midterms unapologetically further to the left, on issues like health care and even gun control, and they produced a large turnout and succeeded in a huge blue wave. The old road is rapidly aging...
Although it's not my policy preferences, I think you're right. The national mood has shifted on many these topics.
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JimHow wrote:I think the Dems tried to reach for the center with Hillary and they lost.
The Dems ran the midterms unapologetically further to the left, on issues like health care and even gun control, and they produced a large turnout and succeeded in a huge blue wave. The old road is rapidly aging...
Agree 100% but I worry if what worked on a district by district basis can translate to a national campaign.

JimHow wrote:If Wasserman et al hadn’t stolen the nomination from Bernie he would have won WI, MI, and PA and we would have been spared from Orange Head.
I’m fine with Bloomberg but I don’t think he’ll run.
We need someone mean like Bernie who will stand up to Orange Head’s fascist tactics.
Here your Bernie man-crush continues to lead you astray. Last thing we need is another angry old man in the White House yelling at anyone who disagrees with him.
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We need to be brash.
We don't need the old oh-let's-appeal-to-the-center mindset.
We need to be ahead of the game.
It's like the New England Patriots. They may win the Super Bowl one year on a Cory Dillon running game.
Then the next year they adopt a Randy Moss passing game.
We need to be two steps ahead.
I still don't get why you hate Bernie so much David.
He has energized many voters, especially young people.
He would have beaten Orange Head two years ago.
Instead, the rigged super-delegate Democratic primary nominated a fatally flawed candidate, and now the U.S. Supreme Court has a far right majority, we are teetering on fascism, etc.
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Beto couldn't beat Ted Cruz, Ted Fucking Cruz!! The most hated Republican in America, even more than OrangeHead.
I'm with David, Bernie would take us down a path where there will be either a recession, a revolution or best case scenario - total gridlock.
Same with Warren.

Bloomberg would be ideal for me but he's not getting any younger.
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We might need to edit the title of this thread soon to Convict Trump.
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