President Trump

DavidG · Post by **DavidG** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:16 pm

It's my impression, Jon, that the nominee has more to say about the platform than the party. Unless there's another candidate with a different idea and a significant number of delegates.

JCNorthway · Post by **JCNorthway** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:18 pm

Unless there's another candidate with a different idea and a significant number of delegates

That could end up being the case this year

Chateau Vin · Post by **Chateau Vin** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:39 pm

JCNorthway wrote:
Unless there's another candidate with a different idea and a significant number of delegates
That could end up being the case this year

Hmm. One more to add to the dem contender list. Bloomberg is onboard now...

jal · Post by **jal** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:43 pm

The Michael Bloomberg of ten-fifteen years ago would have gotten me excited and energized. This Michael Bloomberg will be 78 in February and I have not seen him in public since the Democratic Convention (ok, that may just be me being a recluse).

Don't get me wrong, I'll vote for him in a heartbeat, here's wishing and hoping that he hasn't lost a step...

JimHow · Post by **JimHow** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:56 am

Another article on why Trump will likely be re-elected.
It’s about the insufferable Democrats.

How the Insufferably Woke Help Trump
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/08/opin ... -ios-share

DavidG · Post by **DavidG** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:48 pm

Yeah, the holier than thou attitude really is insufferable. And dangerous.
Attack your opponent, not your constituents.

JCNorthway · Post by **JCNorthway** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:08 pm

Building off some of the perspective in recent posts, here are new polling results in swing states - stuff for the Dems to contemplate

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/08/us/p ... round.html

DavidG · Post by **DavidG** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:49 pm

Biden’s not my favorite candidate, though I prefer some of his policies to Warren. But if he continues to look like the best shot at beating Trump as primary season progresses, I’d have no problem getting behind him.

OrlandoRobert · Post by **OrlandoRobert** » Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:31 pm

Life-long Dem here.

The progressive wing of the party is doing everything in its power to hand the election back to Trump. Let’s not kid ourselves: Trump could kill someone on live TV, deny it, and his core base will still vote for him. And as long as Dems again put up a terrible candidate, like a Clinton, or now what appears to be a Warren or even possibly a Sanders, they will lose. Take a look at what happened in Florida. The two moderate Gubernatorial candidates for each party lost in their primaries, Demos put up an inexperienced progressive liberal, GOP puts up a Trumpian with a pretty impressive resume, and GOP wins. I still think this country leans right. If Dems pick an extreme candidate, we will lose again. I cannot support Warren or Sanders. Their socialist agenda and lack of a coherent economic policy would be disastrous for our country.

Biden is solid. Pick Kamala or Pete for VP, and he’s even better. He can win. And his moderate views are good for our country.

Bobby hath spoken.

JimHow · Post by **JimHow** » Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:40 pm

Amen my brother!

JimHow · Post by **JimHow** » Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:55 pm

This is how we take back the country.
Finally, some Democrats acting like Republicans when it comes to raw politics.
It's about ten years too late, but better late than never.
I love Virginia!

https://www.wsj.com/articles/eric-holde ... 1573167564

DavidG · Post by **DavidG** » Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:34 pm

OrlandoRobert wrote:Life-long Dem here.

The progressive wing of the party is doing everything in its power to hand the election back to Trump. Let’s not kid ourselves: Trump could kill someone on live TV, deny it, and his core base will still vote for him. And as long as Dems again put up a terrible candidate, like a Clinton, or now what appears to be a Warren or even possibly a Sanders, they will lose. Take a look at what happened in Florida. The two moderate Gubernatorial candidates for each party lost in their primaries, Demos put up an inexperienced progressive liberal, GOP puts up a Trumpian with a pretty impressive resume, and GOP wins. I still think this country leans right. If Dems pick an extreme candidate, we will lose again. I cannot support Warren or Sanders. Their socialist agenda and lack of a coherent economic policy would be disastrous for our country.

Biden is solid. Pick Kamala or Pete for VP, and he’s even better. He can win. And his moderate views are good for our country.

Bobby hath spoken.

I've liked Warren on and off but I agree that she and Sanders are way too left for the general election. Sanders doesn't seem like the sort of guy who can pivot, though I've been told otherwise by some who say they know him. Warren, who knows? I like Klobuchar, think she could have broad appeal in the general, isn't too far out there, but she doesn't seem to be generating much heat. It's early.

Biden seems to old and sleepy and prone to gaffes to fare well in the general but I think he'd do OK in office. OTOH, after seeing how much better he does than Trump or any of the other Ds in the battleground states I'm getting more excited by him.

JimHow · Post by **JimHow** » Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:41 pm

David are you editing my messages.

JimHow · Post by **JimHow** » Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:25 pm

Virginia is a good state to turn blue.
We'll eventually turn Georgia and even Texas as well, but the problem is it will be too late, the damage will have been done.
Florida I'm convinced is a hopeless cause.

DavidG · Post by **DavidG** » Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:25 am

JimHow wrote:David are you editing my messages.

Sorry I meant to hit the quote button and must have hit edit. I will fix.

DavidG · Post by **DavidG** » Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:26 am

JimHow wrote:This is how we take back the country.
Finally, some Democrats acting like Republicans when it comes to raw politics.
It's about ten years too late, but better late than never.
I love Virginia!

https://www.wsj.com/articles/eric-holde ... 1573167564

Agree 100%. And not just the states. Grooming judges too. Ds have been asleep at the wheel since the Reagan years, focused too much on the top of the pyramid while having their lunch eaten at the base.

JimHow · Post by **JimHow** » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:14 pm

Yeah, we've been getting creamed at the local and state levels.
Lewiston has been a great microcosm of that in the past 20 years or so.
Our city went from aKennedy Democrat to 50/50 Trump/Clinton.
We've had some Tea Party types make their way onto the city council and school committee.

This year, though, the right wing candidates were all voted out.

We even voted in a young Somali woman:

https://www.sunjournal.com/2019/11/09/s ... ewiston-2/

Hopefully a harbinger of things to come nationally!

johnz · Post by **johnz** » Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:02 pm

Nancy Pelosi’s sudden and mysterious throw in for Impeachment is quite telling – the Democratic Party leadership is in a bit of a panic as the “Left Wing” is actually threatening to take over the Party. Leadership noticed that the “Left Wing” raises more money in dribs and drabs than anybody, and without bowing to the Democratic Party’s corporate owners. So they threw Biden at the Lefties, but he’s so flawed and fading. They tried Kamala, Beto, Mayor Pete, Amy Klobuchar, but so far nothing but single digits. The DLC noticed that if you add Bernie’s and Warren’s numbers together it’s double Biden’s. Yikes! But none of that Lefty stuff for them – Health Care as a human right? What a nightmare! Living Wage? What will they’re donors think? Back away from never-ending wars? They’d like to win elections BUT cannot possibly stop those bombs and drones. What to do? Got it – change the discussion to IMPEACHMENT all day all the time. Never mind that Ukraingate is such an obviously flimsy issue. Or that it won’t “heal divisions" but make them deeper. Or that it will just entrench voters and not move a single ballot. But with the help of the DLC’s mainstream media friends, Impeachment all day will change the discussion from choice of candidate for sure. Impeachment mania is such a shrewd move. It might show clearly that Party bosses would rather lose control of the country and the presidency than lose their corrupt power, but some things are worse than losing elections.

Racer Chris · Post by **Racer Chris** » Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:13 pm

Maybe a real billionaire to go up against Trump will do the trick.

JimHow · Post by **JimHow** » Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:26 pm

I know another NYC mayor who skipped the NH and IA contests in hopes of catching fire in FL and Super Tuesday.
He failed miserably.
There are no shortcuts.

Blanquito · Post by **Blanquito** » Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:13 pm

Cherry picking here, but this ABC News/Wash Post poll from November 5th made me very happy:

General Election: Trump vs. Biden, ABC News/Wash Post, Biden 56, Trump 39 -- Biden +17
General Election: Trump vs. Warren, ABC News/Wash Post, Warren 55, Trump 40 -- Warren +15
General Election: Trump vs. Sanders, ABC News/Wash Post, Sanders 55, Trump 41 -- Sanders +14
General Election: Trump vs. Buttigieg, ABC News/Wash Post, Buttigieg 52, Trump 41 -- Buttigieg +11
General Election: Trump vs. Harris, ABC News/Wash Post, Harris 51, Trump 42 -- Harris +9

DavidG · Post by **DavidG** » Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:58 pm

Gotta look at it from an electoral vote standpoint state by state.

Blanquito · Post by **Blanquito** » Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:30 pm

DavidG wrote:Gotta look at it from an electoral vote standpoint state by state.

Of course. And the swing states are much closer than the national polls. But let a guy enjoy his national polling with his coffee!

JimHow · Post by **JimHow** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:19 am

Guys...
Honestly, I’m just not seeing here...
The Dems are making fools of themselves.

Racer Chris · Post by **Racer Chris** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:08 pm

So attempted bribery/extortion by the US president of a foreign official to publicly announce an investigation into the political rival of the US president is not an impeachable offense in your opinion Jim? The quid pro quo has been established and both parties were in agreement. The only thing that stopped the act from being consummated was the whistleblower, and the only thing that is preventing all the proof from being made public is obstruction of congress by the executive branch. If any of those individuals or documents being subpoenaed were exculpatory I'm pretty sure they would have seen the light of day by now.
Bribery is one of the impeachable offenses listed in the constitution. It was included specifically because of the fear of a corrupt president seeking foreign influence in US politics!
Its pretty easy to prove that the president had no real interest in fighting corruption based on his behavior towards the leaders of other corrupt countries, so that argument falls flat pretty quickly. Its also pretty easy to prove that all of the Republicans' conspiracy theories about Ukrainian corruption and interference in US politics are nothing but straw men.
Regarding all the investigations the Republicans are whining should be part of this case, Devin Nunes was the House Intelligence Committee Chairman from 2016 to 2018. If it was so important why didn't the Republicans take it up while they were in charge?

JimHow · Post by **JimHow** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:21 pm

Nah, I don’t Chris. I think it’s a bunch of political nonsense by the Dems.
And the majority of the American public agrees with me.
And the Dems are gonna pay dearly for this.
Man are the Trump supporters I’m seeing up here in Maine pissed off.
They are so energized by this fiasco to defeat the Dems in 2020.
They are rabid.

JimHow · Post by **JimHow** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:41 pm

It’s fascinating how people look at the same thing and see two completely different realities.

OrlandoRobert · Post by **OrlandoRobert** » Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:05 am

JimHow wrote:Nah, I don’t Chris. I think it’s a bunch of political nonsense by the Dems.
And the majority of the American public agrees with me.
And the Dems are gonna pay dearly for this.
Man are the Trump supporters I’m seeing up here in Maine pissed off.
They are so energized by this fiasco to defeat the Dems in 2020.
They are rabid.

I think you are wrong on the initial premise, but dead right on this point. This is an impeachable offense, and smart people know what he did, but for most people this is a gray area. I do not see how this helps the Dems in such a critical election, if anything - as you note - it electrifies the right. They will come out in droves to step the Dems from “stealing their election”.

If Dems wanna win, win positively not negatively. Actually pick a decent candidate that is not extreme. Pick a moderate candidate that has broad appeal. Don’t hate on rich people. Don’t hint or suggest you will raise taxes. Don’t come up with all these BS grandiose plans for free shit without any clue how to pay for it all. I’m a life-long, Dem, want Trump out like you cannot believe, but will not vote for a progressive liberal like Sanders, Warren, AOC or any of their ilk. They are anathema to our economy.

Racer Chris · Post by **Racer Chris** » Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:38 am

Not only do I think your analysis is flawed Jim, I think the number of Americans who see it your way is vastly smaller than you are estimating.
So far I've seen every public hearing, and when it comes to assembling a case, I'd say the Democrats have the evidence to mount a solid prosecution, while the Republicans have nothing but hurt feelings (ie, outrage) to work with, no legitimate counter-strategy to the actual facts of the case. It is the republicans, by rallying around a criminal president, who are making this a partisan exercise - not the democrats.

JimHow · Post by **JimHow** » Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:59 am

Chris:

The Hillary Clinton Democrats, from election night in 2016 to present, have been absolutely unable to accept the fact that Donald J. Trump beat them, fairly and squarely, in a national election.

You can talk about all the unfairnesses of the electoral college, and gerrymandering, and Fox News, and this and that, and the other thing....

All I know is this:

On the first Tuesday in November 2016, Hillary Rodham Clinton lost the states of Wisconsin, and Michigan, and Pennsylvania.

And that's all I need to know. Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, okay, she shouldn't have lost those either, but those are fucked up states by their very nature.

When Hillary couldn't win in WI, MI, and PA -- her "firewall" -- I said, okay, something has changed here. Something has FUNDAMENTALLY changed.

The center of the country ain't buying what the Adam Schiff/Nancy Pelosi Democrats are selling.

And so the Democratic Party elite, along with the mainstream media, has sought to deligitimize the election from Day One.

Led by the failing New York Times and the Bezos Washington Post.

For the first two years we heard with smugness from the Democrat wine and cheese crowd that the Mueller report was gonna take care of the problem.

But... well... no...

It didn't happen.

You know, I'm a trial lawyer. I just had two cases this week, where the prosecution, like the Democrats in this impeachment fiasco, were certain they were gonna win. But in the end, when you put the warm bodies on the stand... there just ain't nothin' there.

I'm sorry. I respect that you think this is some complete and utter outrage. I just do not see it.

People knew Donald Trump was a crook befoe he was elected, and yet they elected him anyway.

Because they believed he was better than what Hillary and her crew were going to bring us.

I wonder how many people there are out there like me, who agree with you that Donald Trump should not be president, but who disagree with you that he should be impeached.

I think the only thing we disagree on is the method of removal:

You think we should ignore a national election and have him removed as part of a 100% partisan political process.

I think he should not be removed by a 100% partisan political process but should rather be removed by the way he was sent in: Through a national election.

My single biggest fear is that YOU are wrong and I will be right, and that this impeachment show will result in Orange being elected in a year when he should have been defeated handily.

But PLEASE....
If he IS reelected....
Just don't blame it on Bernie, and Tulsi, etc., like you guys did last time. okay?

JimHow · Post by **JimHow** » Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:13 am

By the way...

Do you REALLY want a trial in the McConnell Republican-led Senate?

You understand that Joe and Hunter Biden are going to be called as witnesses, right?

And that the rules of evidence and procedure are going to be dictated by the likes of Lindsay Graham and John Roberts?

Be careful what you ask for.

Racer Chris · Post by **Racer Chris** » Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:43 am

JimHow wrote:By the way...

Do you REALLY want a trial in the McConnell Republican-led Senate?

You understand that Joe and Hunter Biden are going to be called as witnesses, right?

And that the rules of evidence and procedure are going to be dictated by the likes of Lindsay Graham and John Roberts?

Be careful what you ask for.

Its clear that you don't understand impeachment Jim.
The Senate sits as jury (They don't make any rules. They don't get to talk.) while the House's lawyers and the President's lawyers fight it out in front of them with John Roberts as the referee. I'll take that. I honestly don't give a shit about the politics of this. The sooner DJT is removed from office the better off this country will be.
You understand that Joe and Hunter Biden are not witnesses, right? They are not witnesses to any of the crimes being investigated in this impeachment inquiry.

I urge you to watch Ambassador Hill's testimony from today Jim. It left the Republicans with hardly anything to say.

stefan · Post by **stefan** » Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:50 am

Chris, watch Fox News for an hour to see what 40% of the American people think. Drink a bottle of good Bordeaux first and fight the impulse to flip to CNN.

brodway · Post by **brodway** » Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:54 am

The center of the country ain't buying what the Adam Schiff/Nancy Pelosi Democrats are selling.

And its not just the middle of the country. I don't buy it either. People want to see a political debate on real issues. What i would really like to know is If you poll 1 million random Americans how many of them would really give a damn about Trump getting a favor out of the Ukraine? I bet that number is lower than most think. And that is how you lose elections.

Can you imagine the heads of nations sitting around and thinking to themselves that any conversation with the US president can no longer be secure? Can we be trusted? Are we really that naive to think no other president of the US has not made some sort of a you rub my back and i'll rub yours with another head of nation before Trump?

I think the issues that the Democrats are pushing is a bunch of smoke without a fire. They need a new and improved agenda.

Jay Winton · Post by **Jay Winton** » Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:49 pm

All this disinformation is playing right into the Russians' hands. I hope everyone realizes that.

brodway · Post by **brodway** » Fri Nov 22, 2019 4:12 pm

Jay

That is the Russian MO.....capture while the prey is weak

This drama distances US relations with Ukraine and brings Ukraine closer to the claws of Russia....Straight out of the KGB playbook..

JimHow · Post by **JimHow** » Fri Nov 22, 2019 6:54 pm

I'm told that as the evidence comes in there is going to be an overwhelming groundswell of support for impeachment leading to near unanimous conviction in the Senate, avoided only by Mitch McConnell arriving at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., Barry Goldwater-like, to announce to Orange Head that his time is up. Like Godot, it's coming any time now....

johnz · Post by **johnz** » Fri Nov 22, 2019 6:58 pm

Only the Democratic Party can so foolishly shine a light on it’s own corruption – first by pushing Russiagate’s stolen emails that clearly proved the corruption of the DNC and Hillary Clinton campaign by rigging the 2016 Primary, and now by highlighting Ukraingate/Impeachment which points to the corruption of their current “front runner” Presidential candidate Joe delaware banker Biden. Democrats have absolutely no moral high ground to run such an Impeachment – people have not forgotten that their Leadership worked hand in hand with Republicans to ship jobs overseas, deregulate banks and crush unions, after which those same Democrats were rewarded with cushy jobs and a permanent ticket into the ruling elite. I guess we’re expected to ignore Hunter Biden’s cashing in (while on a crack binge) on daddy’s behalf? Sure we all hate Donald Trump, but that’s not political policy -- it’s an emotional temper tantrum that doesn’t change anything. Trump didn’t give us a mountain of student debt or start the endless wars or cause 70% of workers to live paycheck to paycheck. If Trump, Pence and all the Republicans went away tomorrow, what replaces them? A completely corrupt Democratic party? When we replaced George W. Bush with Barak Obama, who turned out to be Mitt Romney and made peoples lives worse in Milwaukee and Michigan, we got Donald Trump. If the Democratic Party shows no interest in leading and actually serving people by making their lives better, we’re going to get a worse Trump – that’s what happens after 40 years of “lesser than two evils.”

--Gary Rust

JimHow · Post by **JimHow** » Fri Nov 22, 2019 7:09 pm

....as Trump's approval rises and support for impeachment drops:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... li=BBnb7Kz

Jay Winton · Post by **Jay Winton** » Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:23 pm

Yep

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... chill-out/