President Trump

Blanquito · Post by **Blanquito** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 3:43 am

The last part was a joke, Jim.

The point was Trump barely won any of those three states, winning in fact by historically minuscule margins in the 3 states which happened to decide the election. So no, Trump didn’t “ kicked her pretty good in that state”.

Racer Chris · Post by **Racer Chris** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:49 am

Last night Michael Moore said Gov. Whittmer is not available as a VP candidate. Michigan residents need her too much right now.
I don't think Trump stands a chance in MI this November. Pretty sure he's lost WI as well after the primary debacle that was capped off by a swing to the left in their state supreme court.

JimHow · Post by **JimHow** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:03 pm

I'm glad to see the Dems finally winning some of these local battles.
The Republicans killed us for the past decade at the state and local level and it really hurt us in federal elections.
We shall see! I'm expecting the worst and hoping for the best.
I don't think it is hyperbole to say this country cannot survive another four years of Trump.

jal · Post by **jal** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:12 pm

Blanquito wrote:Per Wikipedia:
“Trump won Pennsylvania by 44,292 votes out of more than 6,000,000 cast, a difference of 0.72% and the narrowest margin in a presidential election for the state in 176 years.

Trump unexpectedly won Wisconsin by a narrow margin of 0.77%, a difference of 22,748 votes out of 2,976,150 cast. A total of 188,330 were cast for third party candidates in WI in 2016.

Trump unexpectedly won Michigan by a narrow margin of 0.23%, with 47.50% of the total votes over the 47.27% of Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton. This is the narrowest margin of victory in Michigan's presidential election history.“

An amazing royal straight flush Trump pulled off there. Russian hacking anyone?

Patrick, Jim, we finished watching the Hillary series on Hulu yesterday.
In the last five minutes of the last episode, Mandy Grunwald, Hillary's media campaign director says: "When you lose with so few vote, anyone who has a theory on why we lost is right, you didn't talk enough about the economy? Ok, it was Comey, ok, any of those factors could have been determinative"

https://books.google.com/books?id=rScnD ... ry&f=false

BTW, the series is excellent and highly recommended.

JimHow · Post by **JimHow** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:31 pm

Did she say anything about whether it was HILLARY HERSELF who cost us the election?

jal · Post by **jal** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:45 pm

JimHow wrote:Did she say anything about whether it was HILLARY HERSELF who cost us the election?

Hillary herself in the documentary says so at numerous times. She kept rehashing things she could have done differently.

Jay Winton · Post by **Jay Winton** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 4:55 pm

Hilary took the black vote for granted and paid the price. Biden has an entirely different relationship with this voter segment so the hope is turnout will be high.

Chateau Vin · Post by **Chateau Vin** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 5:01 pm

All that matters, come November, is the turnout of the dems.... Nothing else...

DavidG · Post by **DavidG** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 4:03 am

Jim, you’ve always impressed me.
But you’ve now taken it to another level.
I am in awe... that you made it through an entire episode of Tiger Douche.

JimHow · Post by **JimHow** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:42 am

Watched episode 2 last night.
Maybe we need to just let the virus kill off the human species.
We can start up again in another million years or so.

Racer Chris · Post by **Racer Chris** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:22 am

What a moron - now he wants doctors to investigate whether disinfectants can be injected to stop the virus.

DavidG · Post by **DavidG** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:03 pm

Maybe Trump will guzzle a bottle of bleach. I hear that the 2020 Clorox Splashless is particularly good, if you can find it. Nothing shows on Bleach Searcher Pro but I'm sure Trump has connections.

I expect idiocy from Trump. When I see a distinguished professional like Dr. Birx lower herself to finding ways to rationalize his idiocy I am embarrassed for her and filled with despair that this band of clowns and sycophants is leading us.

Jay Winton · Post by **Jay Winton** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:09 pm

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DavidG · Post by **DavidG** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:19 pm

LOL Jay! I needed that.

DavidG · Post by **DavidG** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:35 pm

I hear Pelosi is stirring up interest in imbleachment proceedings.

Racer Chris · Post by **Racer Chris** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:34 pm

Best line on on television this morning was from former Press Secretary to President Obama, Robert Gibbs:
"It was like open mike night at Trump University Medical School."

Blanquito · Post by **Blanquito** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:51 pm

Pretty much agree with this summary of trump’s situation: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/24/opin ... e=Homepage

He’s on the ropes and he knows it. The election could still be close in the end and it’s increasingly evident that the GOP will stop at nothing to steal another one, but I still think Trump is in trouble even with his small state advantage in the electoral college. I would say a Biden landslide is as likely as a narrow Trump win, assuming anything remotely resembling a fair and open election takes place.

Chateau Vin · Post by **Chateau Vin** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:05 pm

DavidG · Post by **DavidG** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:08 pm

Nice article, Patrick.
We get the government we deserve.
Seeing how popular a show like Tiger King is, I'm afraid the first line in that article may come true:
"And he's going to get re-elected."

stefan · Post by **stefan** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:28 pm

From the article:

>>
52.5 percent of Americans disapprove of his job performance. Only 43.4 percent approve."
>>

"No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public."

Claret · Post by **Claret** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:51 pm

Give him a double on the rocks.

JimHow · Post by **JimHow** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:54 pm

We have 8 billion people fighting a species-ending threat, and to add insult to injury we have to deal with this orange haired douche-bag every day.

Chateau Vin · Post by **Chateau Vin** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:14 am

People are at it making memes as fast as they could...

JimHow · Post by **JimHow** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:23 am

Re Frank Bruni's confident article from the failing New York Times....

I remember we were similarly yucking it up back in 2016 after the Access Hollywood video.

We weren't laughing as hard about three weelks later....

Claret · Post by **Claret** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:29 am

Is this mass deception? I just cannot understand why anybody supports this imbecile other than for tax breaks for the wealthy if they qualify.

I am neither wealthy nor a supporter.

JimHow · Post by **JimHow** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:42 pm

THIS is what I fear the most.
There is no way that Orange and the Republicans are going to let this election be held on Nov. 3rd if they are at risk f losing both the White house and the Senate:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/24/us/p ... e=Homepage

DavidG · Post by **DavidG** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 2:02 pm

You’ve been warning of that for a while Jim. I’m beginning to think he may use the pandemic as an excuse to try to stay in power. If that happens I’m not paying taxes.

JimHow · Post by **JimHow** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 2:34 pm

Roger Cohen is the best writer at the NYT.
He speaks of "a lunatic unbound":

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/24/opin ... e=Homepage

Our political system has been unstable for some time now, and this crisis is really threatening its very existence. As Cohen says, November 3rd is the key date. We have to throw everything into it and save democracy.

jal · Post by **jal** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 2:59 pm

Ha, I basically just said the same thing on Facebook.
I also liked Bari Weiss piece from two days Ago
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/22/opin ... e-war.html

JimHow · Post by **JimHow** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 7:23 pm

There’s a report of a fascist dictator in a vegetative state...
And then there’s Kim.

stefan · Post by **stefan** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:21 pm

LOL, Jim. It reminds me of a joke about lawyers, but no doubt you have heard it so I won't repeat it here.

Blanquito · Post by **Blanquito** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:13 pm

stefan wrote:LOL, Jim. It reminds me of a joke about lawyers, but no doubt you have heard it so I won't repeat it here.

It involves a bottom sucker, no doubt.

stefan · Post by **stefan** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:27 pm

Right you are, Patrick.

Blanquito · Post by **Blanquito** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 2:03 am

I guess the main arc of my thinking is this: everything had to go right for Trump in 2016 (Comey, the Russian disinformation campaign, the slight downturn in the economy in 2016, running against a historically unpopular opponent, benefiting from Democrat fatigue after 8 years of Obama, enjoying an outsider status when the electorate was sick of the establishment, and probably more) and he STILL barely won in arguably the tightest election in our nation’s history of close elections.

Except for the Russians, I don’t think Trump has any of those advantages in 2020. In fact, the Coronavirus turned what were his already thin chances of re-election into the potential for a rout.

JimHow · Post by **JimHow** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:10 pm

For those who laugh at Donald Trump, ask Ted Cruz, and Marco Rubio, and Jeb Bush, and Hillary Clinton how funny it was.
Donald Trump is a political godzilla, the likes of which we have never seen in the history of this country.
He gets free press coverage that would literally be worth billions of TV advertising dollars.
He sucks the oxygen out of the room.
He and Fox and the Republican Party will attack Sleepy Joe with the force of a hundred nuclear bombs.
The incumbent president almost always has big advantages.
Since Herbert Hoover only two incumbents have lost elections: Jimmy Carter and George H.W. Bush.
Joe Biden is stronger than Hillary but he is no Barack Obama.
And then we have the Democratic Party leadership itself, which is as arrogant a group that exists out there.
There are a lot of woke professors in classrooms and experts in liberal big city newspapers who think that Orange is self-destructing.
Laugh at and underestimate him at your peril.
There are many, many hurdles that Democrats have to overcome.
Republicans are ruthless. Democrats are sissies.
Republicans are masters at suppressing the vote. Democrats are masters at whining about it.
The Russians, and most likely the Chinese, will interfere on behalf of Orange.
Trump and Mitch will use the coronavirus any way possible to their advantage, including delaying the vote somehow and raising doubts about the integrity of the results if they have to.
There will be the usual long lines in Democratic voting districts in states like Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Florida, and north Carolina.
As usual, the turnout among Republicans will be high and they will march in almost complete lockstep for their guy as they remain as angry and energized as they were four years ago, perhaps more so.
The Democrats fell asleep at the switch back in 2010 and have been devastated by the gerrymandering and Republicans taking control of the executive, legislative, and judicial branches at the local and state levels.
The heavily conservative federal courts, led by SCOTUS, will defend Trump's interests in any voting rights issues.
Trump and the Republicans will raise much more money than the Democrats as Joe remains stuck in his basement.
By the fall most of the effects of Corona will be behind us, people will be back to work, the NFL will be in full swing, a lot of the pain we are feeling now will be a distant memory. Trump will talk about how he saved lives, averted a total catastrophe, and has gotten the economy up and running again.
Fox and conservative radio will continue to rile up the base far more effectively than the liberal media.
From what I've read we are getting killed in social media.
Despite all of the disaster that has happened in the last couple months, Joe is ahead in places like Wisconsin by only like 2 points.
He should be winning like every state by 15 points.
Polls mean nothing at this point. Mike Dukakis was way ahead of Bush in late summer after the conventions, and Bush ended up smoking him.
And of course Hillary was well ahead with three weeks to go in 2016.
I don't place any weight on the fact that Hillary won by 3 million votes in the popular vote. those numbers are skewed by California and New York.
I'm still not betting against Orange Head.

Chateau Vin · Post by **Chateau Vin** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:19 pm

All this is good, Jim.

But All that matters come November is the Dem turnout... Nothing else can be relied upon...

JimHow · Post by **JimHow** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:23 pm

Waiting for young Democrats to turn out, CV, is like waiting for Godot....

JimHow · Post by **JimHow** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:38 pm

Oh and by the way, this ugly lttle #MeToo moment isn't evaporating away for Joe quite as quickly as I think he would have liked....

Chateau Vin · Post by **Chateau Vin** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:42 pm

JimHow wrote:Waiting for young Democrats to turn out, CV, is like waiting for Godot....

Not to harp on these young citizens... It’s like beating a dead horse. They crib about the country going under, politics are rotten, there is no social justice, there is no environmental action, blah blah... And they don’t turn up, but sit under the rock expecting everything to be right...

JimHow · Post by **JimHow** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:17 pm

I really fear for this generation, so easily offended.
Ah well, oldtimers probably said the same thing about my generation.
We need heavy minority turnout in Florida, NC, and the rust belt.