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If anyone should be arrested and indicted, it's Bernie Sanders. He's fomenting blatant criminal activity.

Maybe he can share a cell with his criminal fraudster wife.
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David: Your candidate will win the nomination. But you may rue the day that she did.
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I don't think Sanders would stand a chance against Trump once the media started to shine a light on him as they would in a general election. Right now the media is too invested in portraying the Democratic nomination process as a tight race worthy of everyone's attention.

Clinton is at least battle tested and there is some hope she would be able and willing to have her surrogates attack Trump in Trumpian fashion.
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Yes, and Hillary has barely gone after Sanders (by usual standards) in the hope of winning his supporters over in the general. I bet she regrets that now, given his unexpectedly long legs.

But seriously, is the USA electorate really ready to elect president a self-avowed socialist in his late 70's with a long record of public statements and stances that would be all too easy to portray as radical and/or nutty?
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I'm glad you are feeling so confident about our possibly-soon-to-be-indicted nominee, because, myself, I'm not feeling it.
I'm sensing a Trump tsunami coming.
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I'm honestly not all that confident, Jim. Clinton is in for a hell of a rough ride.
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It is all-too-easy to underestimate Trump, and I think we all agree that Hillary has a heckuva fight coming (and the end game with Bernie is not helping).

I'm just saying I think she's more likely to beat Trump than Sanders.
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I think we're assuming that Bernie is responsible for creating this foment and backlash. He provides a platform for it, but even if he drops out it is a mistake to think the agitators will suddenly fall in line and fall in love with Hillary. There is an simmering, angry and very motivated undercurrent across both parties that existed well before this campaign even started. The difference is that it appears to have succeeded in breaking through on the right but not the left. That may well be the difference in November, too.

Whatever else, this remains very interesting to watch.
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Interesting snippet from a NYT article on role of conspiracy theories among Trump supporters -
Last week, Public Policy Polling revisited Mr. Trump’s attraction to conspiracy theories. Among voters who viewed him favorably, PPP found that 65 percent think President Obama is a Muslim; 59 percent think he was not born in the United States; 27 percent think vaccines cause autism; 24 percent think Justice Antonin Scalia was murdered; and 7 percent think Ted Cruz’s father was involved in the assassination of President Kennedy.
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Christopher Hitchens on Hillary Clinton:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE8PG2mpo58
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JScott wrote:I think we're assuming that Bernie is responsible for creating this foment and backlash. He provides a platform for it, but even if he drops out it is a mistake to think the agitators will suddenly fall in line and fall in love with Hillary. There is an simmering, angry and very motivated undercurrent across both parties that existed well before this campaign even started. The difference is that it appears to have succeeded in breaking through on the right but not the left. That may well be the difference in November, too.

Whatever else, this remains very interesting to watch.
I agree. This is where Trump stands a good chance in November. Sanders' supporters are likely to continue to remain dedicatedly anti-Clinton. Sanders could mitigate that if he wanted to, but he doesn't want to. He's got a bit more of the delusional messiah thing going on in his mind than the typical Presidential candidate. As does Trump, but...

On the right, Republicans may well be willing to suck it up and rethink their "anybody but Trump" position when the only other choice for anybody is Clinton.
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This could be a very low turnout presidential election, with the far left and far right both turned off by their candidates. Turnout will only be high if the parties can turn this into a contest about their opponents.
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Trump leading Clinton by 3 points, Bernie leading Trump by 4 points in latest poll:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ ... li=BBnb7Kz

Thank you for all of your efforts, Debbie Wasserman.
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I'm with Bernie:

Time for us to leave the Democratic Party:

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/sanders-marr ... ts-fraying

I won't vote for Hillary. I won't for Trump, either. But I won't vote for Hillary.
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Donald Trump says Bill Clinton "raped" a woman. What do you think, liberal Hillary apologists. Is that impossible? Is that mere politics? Will that have no impact on the race?

If this costs Hillary votes, is it because Bernie is still in the race?
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JimHow wrote:Donald Trump says Bill Clinton "raped" a woman.
From Andy Borowits:
Republican strategy: make the 2016 campaign about the embarrassing things Bill Clinton did twenty years ago instead of the embarrassing things Donald Trump did this week.
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Fair enough Jal. Is a rape 20 years ago any less serious than a rape last week?
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You guys do realize that Donald Trump is going to bring up Bill Clinton's rape history, as both governor of Arkansas and as president of the US, right? I mean, do you guys really understand how low this campaign is going to go? I don't think you do. This race is going to sink to depths never imagined before. The Donald is a monster. Brace yourselves, my friends, you are in for a ride of unimaginable proportions.
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JimHow wrote:Fair enough Jal. Is a rape 20 years ago any less serious than a rape last week?
Of course not, but I just don't believe Bill Clinton is anything more than an adulterer and a womanizer. Probably even less than Trump. I do think that a rape, any rape would have been thoroughly investigated, even the 1978 alleged rape of Juanita Broaddrick. I just do not believe anything Trump says about anyone.
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Well, I'm with you there. Trump is vile. That's why I'm even more frustrated by the weakness of the Democratic candidate, but maybe Trump would beat whomever the Democrats would put up.
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Jim, agree. Polls out this week show it even (some even have The Donald with a lead!) and this is still the honeymoon phase compared to what's coming.

Jal, also agree. I don't think even Trump believes what he says.

As far as I know though, no one has accused Trump of rape. Boorish behavior and words, certainly, but nothing more. Clinton is being accused of rape and/or assault by multiple women, a dozen or more by some reports, all of whom are on record. Cannot be proved forensically of course, but I'm hard pressed to see the difference between this scenario and Cosby, who was immediately assumed guilty. Add in flight logs showing more than two dozen trips by Clinton with sex offender Epstein and accusations of underage girls. Of course it wasn't Hillary that did any of these things and the case will be made that it's unfair to hold the woman responsible for the man, etc, but having done nothing to stop it and maybe plenty to cover it up as the self-described defender of women's rights, she has a problem. Her only recourse at this point is to convince the public that it's all untrue. Potentially a dozen women will be tearfully telling their stories and she will have to call them all liars. And a generation who doesn't remember some of this and trying to decide who's telling the truth will see video of Bill repeatedly and adamantly denying doing anything with "that woman" until the dress showed up. They will be reminded that he lied under oath to a grand jury and the bar took his license because of it. She has a problem.

This all assumes that any of this even gets to the front page depending on what the FBI does with her emails. There is the Schweitzer film and the Clinton Cash business. They will bring up Whitewater again, the records "found" in her office after she said she had no idea what happened to them and one of the principles going to prison rather than testifying.

She can call him a misogynist; he will call her an enabler and abettor. She can call him greedy and rich; he will say he built it and she extorted it. He's much quicker than she is and apparently now allowed to say whatever he wants. These debates are going to be ugly as hell.
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JScott wrote: Clinton is being accused of rape and/or assault by multiple women, a dozen or more by some reports, all of whom are on record.
I see one rape accusation by Juanita Broaddrick, one sexual harassment by Paula Jones, and a lot of extra-marital affairs but no assault. I am not crazy about quoting wikipedia, still...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clin ... llegations
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There are many like these below. There are some that go past a dozen, dating back to Arkansas. I'm not commenting on their validity, just that they exist.

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/more ... linton-of/

http://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/ ... ar-BBsR2Jp

http://albertpeia.com/oxfordassault.htm
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For some reason that middle link is glitchy and won't take. Cut and paste:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/ ... ar-BBsR2Jp
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A Canadian perspective from one infamous Sir Conrad Black former Hollinger CEO and newspaper mogul who was disembowelled by the SEC spending time in jail but bounced back Nicely. Wealthy, bright, and friend of Donald's has been giving his perspective in multiple interviews in Canada and UK. Most recent National Post article gives a different but similar perspective. I think looking from the outside that this guy will roll to a resounding win in the USA and won't be as bombastic as he is coming across when the final race between him and Hilary get going. I think he'll bury her by discrediting her and Bill's sordid past and he'll gradually become more of a statesman leading up to the election. A Canadians opinion based on what we see,hear and read outside the USA.

Conrads most recent article one of many; http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comme ... d-patriots
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Interesting article Danny.
A spectacular campaign between two vintage hard-ballers is about to begin. It will be what Nixon used to call a “rock’em, sock’em campaign.”
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Thursday, May 19 - General Election: Trump vs. Clinton - CBS News/NY Times - Clinton 47, Trump 41 - Clinton +6

Let's get serious here. Barring a new scandal or indictment, Trump won't win. ~40% of Republican primary voters a general election majority does not make. Trump has nothing new to throw at Clinton. Trump has to sweep virtually every swing state to win: he can win FL, OH, NC, IA, & CO and still lose. Trump's negatives are nearly unprecedented with women, minorities, liberals, independents, and even many conservatives. Based on polling and demographic changes in the electorate, estimates show that Trump has to win over 70% of white male voters to have a shot, a number not even Ronald Reagan came close to in his landslide re-election in 1984. The election won't be about Bill Clinton (who by the way still has favorability ratings in the mid-to-high 50s: http://www.pollingreport.com/clinton1.htm).

The main issue is whether Sanders supporters sit it out entirely-- that will make the election close, but Hillary would still win even then.

At the end of the day, the election won't be about Hillary's short-comings or Donald Trump's small hands. People will hold their noses and elect Hillary. None of this makes me a Clinton "apologist", just a realist about the general election realities.

Of course, this could all turn out wrong, but a month or two of Trump sounding "statesman like" (which I doubt will happen anyway) won't suddenly make him a credible candidate nor win over minorities and women.
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We used to have statesmen like George Mitchell… here, in perhaps his finest hour:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThEMsxcAqu8
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I think Hillary should drop out of the race. I don't think she can beat The Donald:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... -5491.html

In fact, if it weren't for her hack friends like Debbie Wasserman (whose days are numbered, by the way), I don't think she would even be winning the Democratic nomination process.

Hillary needs to step aside before it is too late, and let Bernie or Joe save us from the tyrant that is Donald Trump.
Good grief, what is taking the DOJ so long to indict?
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Will be interesting to see how Hillary spins the OIG report, which pretty much confirms everything we've been saying here in contradiction to her ongoing narratives. So far she seems to be sticking to the same lines, "everyone else did it, " "I followed the rules" etc. despite this new report finding the opposite.

The FBI still hasn't called her in (as far as we know) which is the likely final step before referring any charges, so we probably still have a little while to go. Meanwhile Gucifer just cut a plea deal and is being held in Arlington, where he is very available. The longer this goes on the more significant it would seem, but also the more critical for the Democrats. Bernie likely won't drop out until she is cleared, or past the convention, whichever comes first. He's making noise like the convention is going to be anything but congenial, and based on what's come from some of his supporters so far that isn't just talk. A month ago I thought this was what we were going to see in Cleveland with the GOP. This is one crazy political season.
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Clinton refuses to state where she stands on a tough death penalty issue. Imagine that. What a surprise.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ ... li=BBnb7Kz
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Still think this is Hillary's to lose - both the nomination and general election. Below are interesting takes. The first is from a former Clinton pollster. The second is a guy I don't know but seems to be a Bernie supporter and is not very clear about his sources, so I take it with a huge grain of salt. Does offer an explanation of the delay in the FBI referral though.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/clinton-mig ... 1464733898

https://archive.is/bERJ6
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I saw that WSJ article. It gives guys like me hope but I think Hillary is pretty much a lock, unless the unexpected indictment comes.
And as for the Trump Man… He is mad. He is a madman.
Can you imagine having to put up with those press conferences for 4-8 years? We'd all be emotionally exhausted by the end. What a pill this guy is.
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I have it on quite good authority that the WSJ article is just an attempt to create trouble for Hillary. I'm sure as you all know Bernie has raised zilch for the Democratic party so the super-delegates will not be that easily swayed.
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Comte Flaneur wrote:I have it on quite good authority that the WSJ article is just an attempt to create trouble for Hillary. I'm sure as you all know Bernie has raised zilch for the Democratic party so the super-delegates will not be that easily swayed.
Okay so now I have to ask. What is your source?
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JScott wrote:
Comte Flaneur wrote:I have it on quite good authority that the WSJ article is just an attempt to create trouble for Hillary. I'm sure as you all know Bernie has raised zilch for the Democratic party so the super-delegates will not be that easily swayed.
Okay so now I have to ask. What is your source?
One of my senior colleagues is very active in the Democratic Party JS, and is a fierce defender of Hillary, and is adamant it is a stitch up, also noting the author's credentials, e.g., recommend Obama not run for a second term, Fox/Newsmax etc.

I put my hand up and own up to being deliberately provocative using 'have it on good authority' knowing which way you lean. I must say I enjoy reading your posts JS, and have been educated by them.

My colleague takes the view that there is no way Hillary won't win the nomination. I am not so sure about that. I could imagine a scenario where she goes down and Biden or Kerry comes in as a white knight and wins the election In a landslide.

That would deprive us of the theatre of Trump vs. Hillary...but I am increasingly of the view like Jim that Hillary is irreparably damaged goods. And if she isn't yet The Donald will make sure of it.
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It seems inconceivable to me that this country will elect as its president someone as unqualified as Crazy Lyin' Double Faced Donald Trump
But this is a country where capitalism has gone amok
Where a lot of people bought on leverage 5,6,7 houses with NINJA loans
Where money managers loaded up on vaguely understood CDOs based on dubious ratings from private ratings agencies
Where banks forgot their fiduciary duties and stopped thinking of their clients
Where universities care more about the performance of their endowments and less about the quality of education they provide to their students
So we do have a tendency to self destruct
Bernie is just making noise. My favorite comedian Andy Borowitz wrote: "Sanders Says He Will Keep Fighting for Nomination Even if Hillary is Elected President"
Hillary is not perfect, far from it, but given the choice between her and Trump, it's Hillary without a doubt. I do wish for better candidates from both parties but I also wish for eternal youth, having my hair back and peace on earth.
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I'm for the status quo. Accordingly I keep reminding myself it does not matter who gets elected.
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I've done over 2,000 bankruptcies over the years and I recall when they "reformed" <rolls eyes> the bankruptcy code back in 2005. Senator Hillary Clinton was so vile during that debacle, shamelessly bought by Wall Street. Here is Elizabeth Warren summarizing well what happened:

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