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ISO Bordeaux chateau

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 2:10 am
by AlohaArtakaHoundsong
Where Stephane Derenoncourt, Michel Rolland or Hubert de Bouard does not consult. It should be a pretty short list. Thanks.

Re: ISO Bordeaux chateau

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:39 pm
by AKR
The Mouiex properties would be one group that generally is fresher (La Grave a Pomerol etc.)

I think the de Leon crowd also follows their own drummer (LLC, Nenin, Potensac etc.)

I don't think the list is that short really, it's just that American import market likely favors those styles, so that's what is available in conventional channels.

Kermit Lynch doesn't import much Bordeaux, but when he does its unlikely to be from those camps, but its unlikely to have a review as well, if one would like to see one prior to purchase.

Re: ISO Bordeaux chateau

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 9:01 pm
by Blanquito
One issue is that this is a moving target, so keeping abreast of the changes in the barrel room can be challenging. I'm not sure where one finds this info readily either. For example, I just googled Cantemerle to see if I could find which enologist they use, but couldn't find out readily.

Wikipedia does have this list of chateau where Rolland holds decisive roles (such as owner, cellar master, oenologist, consultant):
Angélus
Armens
Ausone
Beauregard
Bellefont-Belcier
Bellevue Mondotte
Bon Pasteur
Bonalgue
Branas Grand Poujeaux
Brillette
Cap de Faugères
Certan de May
Chapelle d'Ausone
Clarke
Clémence
Clément-Pichon
Clinet
Clos des Jacobins
Clos du Clocher
Clos l'Eglise
Clos les Lunelles
Clos Saint-Martin
Commanderie de Mazeyres
Corbin
Couspaude
Crock
Croix de Labrie
Destieux
Dominique
l'Evangile
Faugères
Faugères
Fleur de Boüard
Fleur de Gay
Fombrauge
Fontenil
Franc-Mayne
Garde
Gay
Giscours
Grand Mayne
Grand Ormeau
Grand-Pontet
Grandes Murailles
Grands Chênes
Gravière
Jean de Gué
Kirwan
Larmande
Larrivet-Haut-Brion
Lascombes
Latour-Martillac
Léoville-Poyferré
Loudenne
Magrez-Fombrauge
Malartic-Lagravière
Malescot-Saint-Exupéry
Monbousquet
Pape Clément
Pavie
Péby Faugères
Petit Village
Phélan-Ségur
le Plus de la Fleur de Boüard
Pontet-Canet
Ripeau
Rochebelle
Rouget
la Sérénité
Smith Haut Lafitte
Tour-Carnet
Troplong-Mondot
Valandraud
Violette

Re: ISO Bordeaux chateau

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 9:02 pm
by Blanquito
As a counterpoint, here's Gilman's list of 'traditionalist claret' that he put up on Wine Berserkers in 2013. I may not be comprehensive and I don't agree with everything listed (I no longer consider Pontet Canet traditionalist, though I am still a fan of the wines).

Gilman’s Traditionalists List 12/2013
Pomerol:
La Conseillante
Certan de May (though a bit over-oaked these days)
L'Evangile
La Grave
Hosanna
Lafleur
Lafleur-Gazin
Lafleur- Pétrus
Latour à Pomerol
Pétrus
La Pointe
Providence
Trotanoy
Vieux Château Certan

St. Émilion:
Bélair-Monange
Canon
Corbin
Cheval Blanc
Figeac (up through 2011)
Magdelaine (up through 2011)
La Serre

Graves:
La Louvière (through 2011)
Haut-Bailly (again, a bit oaky these days)
Latour-Martillac (since 2006)

Médoc and Haut Médoc:
Beaumont
Cantemerle
Chasse-Spleen
Fonréaud
La Lagune
Lannesan
Laujac
Potensac
Sociando-Mallet
La Tour de By

Margaux Appelation:
Ferrière
D’Issan
Palmer
Prieuré-Lichine (bit spit-polished, but still with old school soul)
Rauzan-Ségla
Rauzan-Gassies

St. Julien:
Beychevelle
Lagrange
Ducru-Beaucaillou
Gruaud-Larose
Talbot

Pauillac:
Croizet-Bages
Grand Puy Lacoste
Haut Bages Libéral
Latour
Lafite-Rothschild
Lynch-Bages
Pichon-Lalande
Pichon-Baron (though very oaky these days)
Pontet-Canet

St. Estèphe:
Calon-Ségur
Montrose
Phelan-Ségur
Tronquoy-Lalande

Re: ISO Bordeaux chateau

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 11:56 pm
by AlohaArtakaHoundsong
Many thanks. I suspect if you add Derenoncourt the list you posted for Rolland would approximately double. HdB is not as omnipresent but is increasing his reach it seems. Meyney, for instance.

Re: ISO Bordeaux chateau

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:23 am
by AKR
I'd just note that some of those aforementioned Rolland estates have quite different feels to them.

One would not taste some of the estates and think they are all carbon copy clones of each other.

His influence can be quite varied in how its implemented at various places.

Re: ISO Bordeaux chateau

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 4:23 am
by RDD
Pavie Macquin