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If the Ciacci Pianrosso is off the list, then I would certainly add the il Poggione in its place. My original list was intended to hit a range of prices, hopefully giving a feel for solid producers at the lower end and a few more expensive houses to see if the bump in price is worth paying.
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Like JimHow I too have been mildly looking at that Zachys page this morning.

Free shipping, with no minimums -- if what they told jcbka is true -- makes the value proposition better.

It seems like there are ton of Brunellos, all priced about the same level, either 2 or 3 btls for $100.

Strange how consistent the price levels are.
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ITNOS, I opened another 2010 Brunello tonight: Altesino. Lucie loves this wine, "Roasted strawberries in the front! Never had that before. And the nose is really nice." I opened this for a dinner of pasta with roasted tomatoes, but we started on it with Brie and bread. The wine definitely needs more air, but it is another 2010 that can be appreciated young. Its bright young fresh red raspberry and strawberry fruit, while having a delicate flavor, is backed by enough acid to take on the roasted tomatoes I think. Not sure that we will know tonight as this bottle is not likely to last until dinner.

My inclination after trying these 2010 Brunellos is to skip 2011 and buy more 2010, drink some of them young and hold others until they mature.
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By the time we get to the bottom half of the bottle of 2010 Altesino BdM, the wine has changed dramatically. It is now more concentrated and has a more intense bouquet. The strawberries still dominate the flavor, but now there is leather and even some tar.

I bought six bottles locally a few days ago @ $45 on sale. I think I'll go back and get the rest of what they have in stock. I have always liked Altesino, partly because the QPR is high, but the 2010 sets a new high for the estate.
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OK, my wine tasting group did a sampling of 2010 Brunellos on Sunday. I was a bit disappointed in the line-up as I considered it mostly lower tier wines, and generally not ones that I would purchase. But here is what we had with a couple of brief comments from the tasting.

2010 Fanti ($34) - Decent structure with enough fruit to balance the acidity - but needed some time in the glass to come around. (my rating - 90)

2010 Argiano ($40) - a decent price, I think. This was one of the two wines I most preferred. It had good balance, pretty good fruit, nice structure, and a decent finish (my rating 91)

2010 Campogiovanni ($40) - I thought this wine was slightly corked, but no one else did. If not that, then it was not cleanly made. It had a bitter tasted, visible acidity and very little fruit to offer. I was reluctant to rate it, but gave it 84.

2010 La Gerla ($45) - This was another wine with good balance of fruit, structure and acidity, and a good finish. I thought it was just a tad nicer that the Argiano (my rating 92)

2010 La Serena ($48) - This was a strange wine. The fruit was very rice, almost over the top. And the wine was very "soft" as if it were aged for 15-20 years. It felt heavy and awkward to me, but was actually the preferred wine of a couple of tasters. (my rating 85)

What was interesting was that the 6th wine was the 2006 La Serena, which we had tasted several years ago, and which was highly rated by the members. This wine was also soft, ripe and lacking structure, but at least it had the excuse of being 10 years old. I missed the tasting 5 years ago when this wine was tasted, so I don't have a point of comparison. But based on both the 2006 and 2010, I would not recommend the La Serena, even for current drinking. It is definitely lacking that JimHow tannic structure.

I first purchased Brunellos with the 1997 vintage, buying 4 six-packs. I have one bottle of 1997 remaining - Livio Sassetti Pertimali. Of the four producers, this was always my favorite, and the most long-lasting. Other producers I have previously purchased and would recommend considering in the 2010 vintage include: Caparzo (La Casa), Casanova di Neri, Ciacci Piccolomini, Collosorbo, Il Poggione, Lisini, Mastrojanni, Uccelliera.
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That Altesino is $45 on sale at Zachy's as well. Sounds like I should buy more than one bottle!
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Too bad, Jon. Our experience was much different, but then we have no intersection on the wines. I would have expected the Campogiovanni to be better. Usually it is good for the price and I have never had a dirty Campogiovanni, so I suspect that you were right in thinking that the wine was corked.

Incidentally, it is now clear that the Altesino is not going to last until dinner. What should I open for the pasta?
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I'm glad that I copied that Brunello tasting post because when I submitted it, it got lost in outer space. I was able to paste in the copy and submit again - this time it landed above just below Stefan's post of 1 minute earlier. I've discovered, in the process of losing several longer posts, that if someone is posting to the same thread as you, and if they submit first, then your post gets lost when submitted. So I've recently adopted the practice of copying a post before submitting so I can re-send if it gets lost.

I actually had to resend this because of Stefan's post just above.
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After drinking the Brunello, Lucie decided that she did not want to cook, so we'll order a pizza. But she demands a good Eyetalian wine to go with it. So what should I open? I have 2010 Barolo standing up, but a Barolo with pizza?!?!

I tried to talk her into a 2012 Ridge Zinfandel, but she said, "no way". I picked up a couple of 2010 Allegrini Palazzo Della Torre Veronese the other day; would that satisfy her? I have never tasted this wine. We used to drink the Palazzo Della Torre Valpolicella and the Veronese was on sale, so I bought two bottles to try without knowing anything about the wine other than the Wine Advocate rated it 90.
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you only live once...
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Never mind. I used my powers of persuasion and talked Lucie into drinking the Veronese because we needed to try it and the Barolo would need too much air time. She says it is in no way as good as the Brunello, but likes it and says it will be fine with pizza. I agree. It is coarse, full, and a bit green, but perfectly serviceable. There is some fresh fruit mixed with the dried fruit in this wine.
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The Pallazzo Della Torre tends to be a very serviceable wine year in and year out. We often have it with pizza or simple pastas. I've even been known to serve it with a burger. The 2010 was quite good - have not tasted any vintages since. Though a relatively inexpensive wine, it does definitely benefit from some bottle age to round out those rougher edges in its youth.
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We drink Barolo with white pizza. Sprinkle some truffle olive oil to the pizza after it's out of the oven.
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I like those Palazzo della Torre's. Huge production wine, I think. I liked the 2010, our bottle was consumed fast IIRC. They are popularly styled so a good call for groups/non geek consumption. A safe bet on restaurant wine lists, when there is little value to be had.

We had the 07 Serena 'Rosso' level bottling a month or two ago. It was pretty good for the price.
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Palazzo della Torre Veronese firmed up quite a bit with air. It is a very good wine for the price.
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stefan wrote:Palazzo della Torre Veronese firmed up quite a bit with air. It is a very good wine for the price.
It's made in a very weird way. There was some thread on it on WB a while back.
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Arv, I searched WineTalk on WB and did not see much. I think the grapes used for making Palazzo della Torre Veronese are dried before pressing, but that is hardly weird.
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It is made in a ripasso style - the drying of some of the grapes before pressing, similar to Amarone. It is a Veronese wine in the same region as Amarone. I think that is why it gets the ripasso treatment.
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I've had some Valpolicella Ripasso. It's like a poor man's Amarone, very smooth, rich and concentrated without being hot.
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I placed my 2010 Brunello order, including three 3Ls (yesterday I ordered a 3L of 2010 Pianrosso Ciacci Piccolomini)!
We're gonna have a Brunello party in about 10-15 years!
Thanks in particular Tomasso (and Stefan for the Altesino enablment)….


Order Number: 350425
Item Description Price Your Price Qty Total
390977 Brunello di Montalcino Il Poggione 2010 (750ML) $90.00 $79.99 1 Bottle $79.99
390979 Brunello di Montalcino Il Poggione 2010 (3L) $450.00 $374.99 1 Bottle $374.99
391864 Brunello di Montalcino Altesino 2010 (95JS) (750ML) $60.00 $44.99 6 Bottles $269.94
391883 Brunello di Montalcino La Casa Caparzo 2010 (96JS) (750ML) $85.00 $59.99 1 Bottle $59.99
391890 Brunello di Montalcino Ciacci Piccolomini 2010 (94JS) (750ML) $59.00 $42.99 1 Bottle $42.99
391907 Brunello di Montalcino La Poderina-Del Cerro 2010 (94JS) (750ML) $55.00 $34.99 1 Bottle $34.99
392070 Brunello di Montalcino Mastrojanni 2010 (98JS) (750ML) $85.00 $69.99 1 Bottle $69.99
392073 Brunello Di Montalcino Palazzo 2010 (98JS) (750ML) $75.00 $54.99 1 Bottle $54.99
392081 Brunello di Montalcino Poggio Antico 2010 (97JS) (750ML) $85.00 $64.99 1 Bottle $64.99
392083 Brunello di Montalcino Campogiovanni San Felice 2010 (96JS) (750ML) $60.00 $39.99 1 Bottle $39.99
395786 Brunello di Montalcino Altesino 2010 (95JS) (3L) $315.00 $244.99 1 Bottle $244.99
398786 Brunello di Montalcino Poggio Salvi 2010 (94WE) (750ML) $49.99 $29.99 1 Bottle $29.99
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Good score, Jim!
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A friend and Italian wine lover emailed today from Tuscany. He tasted at Lisini and reports that their 2010s blew him away especially the Ugolaia. Incidentally, well-stored bottles of the 94 and 95 Ugolaia are easily the best brunello I've ever tried (which is by no means a ton).
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Folks,
I love Italian food and quaff Brunellos and Chianti Classicos say, once a week.
2010 is a top Brunello vintage based on the few tastings I've done.

Yet if they were affordable in Singapore, I'd be happy to buy Chianti Classicos more often.
They typically cost 2-3 times the price here as in Europe of the USA. Oh well.
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Yes but you guys are all millionaires in Singapore Claudius... 8-)
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Claudius2 wrote:Folks,
I love Italian food and quaff Brunellos and Chianti Classicos say, once a week.
2010 is a top Brunello vintage based on the few tastings I've done.

Yet if they were affordable in Singapore, I'd be happy to buy Chianti Classicos more often.
They typically cost 2-3 times the price here as in Europe of the USA. Oh well.
Have you looked into self importing them yourself, or finding local friends to collaborate on that?
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stefan,

Wondering the 201 brunello you had was Altesino Montosoli Bdm or Altesino Bdm? Never had this producer. Is the former a single cru vineyard type of thing?
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It was just the regular BdM, CV. I don't think I have ever drunk the Montosoli.
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Jim,

Nice to see you pulled the trigger. I'm certainly not a convert after those 97s....what a bust! The majority turned in to nothingness. Not worth the price or hype. I hope that you have better luck with the 2010 vintage. I've certainly dabbled with the odd BdM over the years and my top three are Argiano...old school, Altesino ..in between and Campogiavini new world. From the Jon description the 2010 at their tasting must have been corked. This normally shows some of the most ripe fruit out of the BdMs in that list for sure.
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You just have to drink your Brunellos young Danny. You need to drink more wines young. I like my Brunellos young, with the fruit smacking you in the face. I like Argiano, Altesino, Il Poggione, Uccelleria. Drink 'em young. The 1997s were fine while young. They aged horribly. People drink too many wines past their peak. Listen to Bob Parker... Start drinking more wines 3-7 years after the vintage.
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JimHow wrote:You need to drink more wines young.
This could be your campaign slogan! Jim-"drink more wines young"-How!

I'm sure you would receive healthy backing from the viticultural industry (just release the transcripts from all those paid wine junkets and don't let it your scores be influenced!).
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I got more emails this morning desperately offering the 97 Brunello's.
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But James Suckling said the '97s were great and… "he knows Tuscany…." <rolls eyes>
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…and port…. and cigars…. <rolls eyes again>


Whatever happened to Marvin, is he still around?
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I think his eyebrows fell into that goblet he carried around.
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So, we only have (or had at this point) three bottles of '97 Brunello left in the basement -- I was never a big believer and the release prices were stoopid. I paid more for some of the 97's than the current prices for the corresponding 2010's!!!

Opened a '97 Collosorbo, first impression was very interesting, cherry, berry, in no way over the hill, but just kinda flabby, lacking the acidic brightness one expects from Brunello. I'd guess that our 55 degree "land that time forgot" cellar has something to do with this wine's liveliness. Oddly enough, a glass or so left in the bottle under the island in the kitchen for a couple of days was really good, much better then than the first night. I have no idea what that means, but the serious Italian wines often need a lot of air to show their best.

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